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General DiscussionCarries are so dogshit

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Girls Are Awsome

    just buff JUG AM URSA DK they are too bad cant even be played

    Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

      they are not bad, just situational

      algodz

        Not sure jugg belongs with trash like AM and Ursa here

        Oldman

          Problem with carries overall is that in this meta (comparing to the old ones) is that neutral creeps dont give much. Its not worth afk farming. Kills > farming unless you have better late game strat and you can easily turtle.

          Ive recently played a game with Luna in which we were losing all lanes. Despite this fact I managed to find some space and get 350 cs/30 min mark when enemy LS had 160 cs. But he was 10 0 13 at that point. He had 650 gpm, I had 450 gpm in the end.

          In the past metas pre 7.00 if you farmed fast, enemies would have almost no chance to win.

          Nowadays its much easier to grind with any other position than pos 1.

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          Glimmer of Dawn

            That plus the fact that Offlane is generally meant to shit on Safelane means that a lot of carries suffer... even having access to catchup like glaives or flash farm is at a premium, or even better yet having a safelaner who can win their lane. This is part of the reason why Gyro, Slark and Bloodseeker safelane are having a resurgence, if picked into the right games.

            AnŦaiN

              I have been getting shit on by playing mainly carry for 3 months now . Every last one of the carry is dogshit unless it can push towers or waves quickly , and without a 16 min battlefury timing .

              Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                Naga with a decent microing, map awareness, lane pushing understanding and a team that can handle the 4 - 1 strat.

                However, this recipe is most of the time incomplete in OP's tier.

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                Oldman

                  Its pretty much what Shepherd of Fawns wrote. I would just add WK on top of it.

                  Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                    ^Yes but the map control through pushing cap wasn't highlighted.
                    Naga is the next level :
                    - allows to push 2 lanes at the same time (split illusions with control groups)
                    - farm triangle or camps at the same time
                    - bait ennemies with a decent micro

                    However, you need to mute your team in archon tier cause you'll get flamed for:
                    - not suiciding with them on the ennemy on an up shrine 3v5 whereas you could get those sweet towers
                    - baiting spells and forcing tp with illusions instead of running like Leeroy Jenkins with the real naga and give ennemies this sweet 800g bounty
                    - your allies getting pickedoff at the other side of the map while you are controlling 2 lanes + triangle/camps
                    - joining only relevant fights instead of dying with them

                    Be ready to get reported from both sides if you play her however, quotes here after.

                    Quotes examples from allies in archon games:
                    - "Naga AFK farming 30 minutes" whereas you have the summed up networth, building dmgs and dmgs of your team and won the 1v9 challenge
                    - "Naga never joining fight" whereas you cant tp where your team is even with BoTs or they engaged an awful fight
                    - "Naga never coming def towers"(t2) whereas you are forcing a TP to make the fight 5v4 and trading
                    - [...]

                    Quote examples from ennemies in archon games:
                    - "Naga smurf" because you know control groups
                    - "Naga booster" because you 1v9 the game
                    - "FU NAGA REPORT GABEN NERF" because you baited this omnislash/chrono/blackhole or you melted with support only with your illusions
                    - "REPORT MY CARRY" because you forced a TP with illusions and turned the real teamfight
                    - [...]

                    Very fun carry to play still.

                    Edit: Went on an other account 5 months ago, thanks to drink vodka play dotka.

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                    Feachairu

                      i think you can play lycan and go domi agh every game and win every lane and and make very big impact just having agh in the inventory and you can rape building very fast too

                      Girls Are Awsome

                        lycan is dogshit can lose to most offlaners

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                        Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                          lycan is dogshit can lose to most offlaners

                          What if he wins the game ? other than that he fits the pos3 so he is against the ennemy carry and not against ennemies offlaner.
                          Archon 2 on a smurf, lawl.

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                          Girls Are Awsome

                            how he can wins the lane?? IDk!!
                            jugg vs lycan? ursa vs lycan? slark vs lycan? what?
                            hell even pudge vs lycan XDDDD
                            he need super support non greedy trader so he can lane otherwise lane is lose and maybe the game

                            also he farm too slow and cant clear waves , need 2 items at least after treads to become effective and if he is given space can get those at 25 mins meanwhile offlaners and chen on the enemy are eating your towers

                            no escape until 6 and if enemy has skywrath or lesh or some broken magic shit ganker you are done for because you dont want to build manta or bkb after treads on this hero .

                            how can lycan deal with level 7 sky or lesh or zeus ganking his lane at min 8
                            he is just dead creep trust me..

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                            kowareta

                              lycan is better to play on mid than safe at the moment.
                              and no, lycan is not that bad, u are.

                              Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                jugg vs lycan? ursa vs lycan? slark vs lycan? what?

                                https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/winning

                                Lycan Winrate : 53%
                                Slark winrate < 50%
                                Jugg winrate < 48%
                                Ursa winrate ~ 51%

                                pudge vs lycan

                                Maybe you can block the hook with your wolves ? Ah, I forgot you are archon 2 you don't know how to micro.

                                after treads

                                You are supposed to have HotD by lvl 6 - 7 if you know how to CS, not treads.

                                broken magic shit ganker

                                Strength provides magic resistance.

                                how can lycan deal with level 7 sky or lesh or zeus ganking his lane at min 8

                                By killing them easilly with wolves + dominated creeps + ulti ?

                                I guess you are trolling or you are a carried smurf herald according to your speech.

                                Bye.

                                kowareta

                                  let him be, archon badge and talking
                                  i didnt saw this part

                                  after treads
                                  =)) Hi La Rious
                                  stick to ur skymage, thats only hero u can play. tnx to valve we have heroes for braindamaaged ppl too :)

                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/lycan/counters
                                  imagine saying sky,zeus,pudge are good against lycan :))))
                                  #RealLifeRetard

                                  Girls Are Awsome

                                    ye swm is 100% better than dogshit lycan

                                    kowareta

                                      #UrOpinionMattersKEKW

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                                        Lycan is probably the most cheesy carry right now

                                        CUTNPASTE

                                          You can still take over and solo win games as pos 1, more so than any other role except mid.