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General DiscussionWhich item to get first when building up

Which item to get first when building up in General Discussion
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    Ex. for radiance, do you buy the recipe first and make sure that gold is spent already, or do you hold on for the relic and risk losses should you die, but payoff being general utility increase, in this case dmg output boosting farm speed
    Or, if the items are of relatively similar price, which do you go for? (Ex current patch shadow blade, all 3 components cost the same, knuckles, amulet or broadsword)
    I have this problem particularly with items like aghs, sheep stick(orb or mystic staff), rad, heart. Coupled with thinking about saving for bb, it’s annoying to have to think about

    kowareta

      if u are not sure about sth just roll a dice for it
      u will be amazed by outcome

      '96 Neve Campbell

        Why would you ever get a recipe first lmao!

        Prioritise the item that helps you farm the fastest on a carry, in the case of shadow blade this would be the blitz knuckles that provide attack speed, with radiance its the relic and not the pointless recipe which is a waste of 1350 good by itself since it gives you NOTHING. You always want to build up your hero by adding items which snowball your progression to your next item and provide stats that your hero requires at that stage in the game. Take for instance Slark who often builds Silver Edge, a costly item which does not necessarily give the hero the stats he needs super early on. The idea is usually to build echo sabre immediately after your early stats and treads because you desperately need the mana regen and the stats the sabre provides, then its pretty common to buy a diffusal blade and the blitz knuckles in either order for the attack speed, farm and early fight potential these items provide since Slark is an early game brawler and only then do you buy the shadow amulet and other components to form a silver edge.

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        kowareta

          he explained why getting a recipe first already
          and this

          Prioritise the item that helps you farm the fastest on a carry, in the case of shadow blade this would be the blitz knuckles that provide attack speed
          neither water gun sniper farms fast with more attack speed or tiny gets super fat with more dmg. so yeah, thank you for your general rule that came from your vast 2k mmr knowledge, but if the answer was this ez he wouldnt ask it in first place.
          or maybe u think he is braindead like yourself (which u are) and u came with these amazing obvious, everybody knows inputs on everything and thinking u are very helpful and knowledgeable :))

          '96 Neve Campbell

            ^I said prirotise whichever item helps you farm fastest, or provides stats your hero needs to be effective. This is completely situational dependent on what hero you are playing. As always you appear illiterate and incapable of understanding what I write, either because you lack language skills or you are braindead (hence the projection). And no, nothing is obvious, that is made clear by this guy legitimately wondering if he should buy a recipe first, in the past few days I have encountered 3k players who think aegis can be transferred and who dont understand what a pull is. The level of ineptitude in this game is staggering and even the most basic knowledge is lost on some people.

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            kowareta

              indeed,
              comparing random dogshit player in her "TURBO" games who play for fun with ppl who are constantly reading contents in this forum and probably watching utube guides etc
              another smart input from a non-braindead person.

              btw what you wrote is literally what i said :)) u didnt mentioned thats situational at all, and if you did (which u didnt) u didnt explained the situations either =))))
              so basically u came up with amazing idea of "whatever make u farm faster" that even my herald friend knows with like 100 hrs play time in this game. so yeah, thank you again for this amount of help and knowledge sharing i guess :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:

              kowareta


                i mean, you as a 2k player, queue a turbo game, u get uncalibrated player who says let me give u aegis or whatever, then coming here and saying a "3k player" told me that????
                who are u trying to fool here?
                or maybe u are insanely stupid. i mean, i guess its over for me. u are so stupid to even realize how stupid u are. gl hf i guess

                '96 Neve Campbell

                  indeed,
                  comparing random dogshit player in her "TURBO" games who play for fun with ppl who are constantly reading contents in this forum and probably watching utube guides etc
                  another smart input from a non-braindead person.

                  Look I get that you are upset about the fact that your shit zoo heros are fucking trash now and you cant win in ranked so you play turbo but that doesn't really give you a reason to project this badly lol

                  btw what you wrote is literally what i said :)) u didnt mentioned thats situational at all, and if you did (which u didnt) u didnt explained the situations either =))))

                  Every single build is situational... The game is situational... You should adjust your strategy every single game based on what the matchup is, this is so obvious that I didnt even feel the need to make it clear in my post but apparently I have to dumb everything down so your fucking caveman brain can process what I write. I thought a supposedly immortal player would be able to comprehend these basics but you aren't really an immortal are you?

                  so basically u came up with amazing idea of "whatever make u farm faster" that even my herald friend knows with like 100 hrs play time in

                  Really cause I dont think OP seemed to know this and it is their thread, I am writing things for OP's benefit, not anyone elses, thats the point of a forum, not that you understand what the purpose of a forum is judging by the posts you feel the need to share with us.

                  i mean, you as a 2k player, queue a turbo game, u get uncalibrated player who says let me give u aegis or whatever, then coming here and saying a "3k player" told me that????
                  who are u trying to fool here?
                  or maybe u are insanely stupid. i mean, i guess its over for me. u are so stupid to even realize how stupid u are. gl hf i guess

                  I have 2.7k mmr, its safe to presume the uncalibrated people in these turbo games have similar mmr, they range from high crusader to low legend in general. Either way the fact you cant transfer an aegis should be basic knowledge even to a new player, so the fact that this 2k+ player with 1000 matches did not know this information is testimony to the fact that some people lack even fundamental understandings of this game. Also nice projection again, brainlet.

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                  kowareta

                    indeed, cant give a fly shit about anything u wrote tho. (cause u are really retarded i need to explain i didnt gave a fly shit about rest of your pile of shit since u start it with that bullshit zoo meta)
                    im just angry about my heroes getting nerfed to shit again. u know i was busy last month spamming lycan and beast and now i dont know what to do. :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:
                    just like the time chen nerfed to shit and aimstrong claimed the same exactly. oh this guy cant win anymore, AHAHHAHA.
                    just gained 2k mmr since then tho, where is he? still struggling beating 4ks with +10k hours play time? :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:

                    but the point is, even a jerk like aimstrong who has no brain, waits i play chen and lose 5-6 games, then claims sth like that. not just bragging it from nowhere like a retard :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:
                    but sadly u have zero personality and creativity. you are just saying what others told to you about me :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:

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                    '96 Neve Campbell

                      What a load of fucking drivel jesus christ

                      kowareta

                        dont mind me, just open aimstrong chan chat and talk about how angry i am about zoo meta(!!!) getting nerfed (!!!) while both of you not caring about me at all :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:
                        u can add keel aswell, he has a lot of stories about his pogchamp bootless leshrac for 20 minutes. :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:
                        for a stronger friendship, its always recommended to share your nudes cause you are nothing to anybody more than a sex doll. babye

                        '96 Neve Campbell

                          Uh no, I havent spoke to anyone about your garbage picks or your fake climb to immortal with zoo heros. A quick look at your profile is all it takes to come to that conclusion. Also I find your pathetic attempts at creating a rift between me and my friends truly depressing and childish. You are like a fucking child, I feel bad for you you lonely fuck.

                          kowareta

                            first pick chen = fake climb
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                            Stefan

                              Of course u finish the recepe first in order to show the message for team lul

                              Shou

                                can u fuckin baboons talk for 1 thread without losing ur shit lmao.

                                if ur buying aghs, buy whichever component is most useful to you, if ur agi hero, lets say jugg, and u want to buy aghs, then buy blade of alacrity first, if ur a hero that wants hp, or hp/mana, buy the ogre club or the point booster. just use ur brain and buy what u think u need. if ur buying heart why would u buy any other part but the reaver first? same thing with radiance, it doesnt make sense to buy the recipe first when it does literally nothing, just save for the relic. its hard to describe things like this with a general statement cuz its so situational, but just buy the component u think u need. this feels like a dumb answer but whatveer

                                Hatrið mun sigra

                                  Dude what do you mean recipe first. Those few times I queued different items and bought the one for the 2nd item and not the one for the item I was building, or just bought recipe first by mistake, I wanted to kill myself. I'd say get the most expensive piece first. While it is true that this will starve you for a while before you get it, it also allows you to save for bb in case a dogshit fight happens and you have to or even if your plan changes, according to how the game goes while you're building it. Regarding tarrasque, I see many people go for the ring super early and then close the item much later in the game but I really don't like that, basically all of them build either vanguard or hood much earlier and to me getting the other ring first (rip names) makes much more sense. I use this as general rule and keep a lot of options open during games as you need to adapt imo. For aghs I always go for the pink ball first and then usually ogre since afaik it gives hp unless I'm tripping. If you have 2 items queued that you know you need for sure then go for the piece they have in common and see which one you need first. I.e. Shivas and octarine. For BF i think it's pretty obvious that hp/mana regen come first while laning and for sb I never get, let alone show, naked amulet as the enemy might prepare a million dusts and sentries before I even get the full item.

                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                    can u fuckin baboons talk for 1 thread without losing ur shit lmao.

                                    I wish. The guy is literally obsessed with me

                                    kowareta

                                      Indeed,
                                      i do that to everybody, but it has special meaning when its about you.
                                      like everybody experience bad teammates but when its you, its hidden pool. LMFAO

                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                        Yes because I claimed that I was in the hidden pool? When?

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                                        kowareta

                                          so u are denying hidden pool now? thats cute. dumb bitch hypocrite now start lying about everything to win an argument ON FUCKING INTERNET

                                          imagine being this low :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh: :axe_laugh:

                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                            No, it is real, it was confirmed real by Valve. I never complained that I got put in a pool though because I am not a monkey? This kid thinks the purpose of this forum is just to come online, insult everyone and generate arguments. It is honestly disgraceful that you have not been banned.

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                                            kowareta

                                              damn, what am i even doing here??? fuck my memory, u were the joker. what am i even talking about??
                                              ofcourse u never ever complained about hidden pool!!!! u were making jokes about it like other comedians in this forum!!!

                                              flourishing new leaf

                                                Never buy the recipe first.