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Ples Mercy

    Well now that the skill brackets are hidden we have even less proof how much the mm system sucks.

    Valve really thinks, that they can hide shit and that we are stupid enough to not notice. Im just waiting for the next patch so state something like 'mm fixed', while they didnt do shit.

    waku waku

      they must be trying to make it more like tf2, where you can't see how many wins and losses everyone has either, and noone cares anyway

      Sōu ka

        you should be happy it's normal bracket players like you who can keep pretending to not be shit

        even though you were pretending when it actually showed brackets ...

        what a disaster

        5th

          After this patch, you're ALL normal players. Muwahahahaha

          Ples Mercy

            @PaintingAPictureOfMyself:

            nice try n00b.

            Relentless

              Valve must have finally figured out it was technically feasible to calculate ratings from partial information as I suggested...
              http://dotabuff.com/topics/2013-07-22-how-to-bring-back-dbr-a-practical-approach

              Nevertheless it is still possible to do it...but its really going to be tricky now and "computationally expensive". My simple method will not be sufficient with the skill bracket blocked.

              There are two ways to take this kind of change. One way is to be cynical and conclude that Valve is determined to make things worse and hide the problems. However it's also possible that they just want some privacy to actually test changes and improvements. Let's hope this is a sign they will attempt to fix it.

              Woof Woof

                they are clearly going to hide every possible bit of information but its ok i am slowly getting used to hon while waiting for strife/all stars dota

                Sōu ka

                  people complain that the brackets don't mean anything while valve states several times that they don't use those brackets for anything
                  but replay categorization (as a rough indicator) and people continuously use it as a skill measurement, for which it was never intended for

                  then it 's getting sort of removed and the same people saying it was bullshit cry that it's gone
                  fix please

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                  jimmydorry

                    @Relentless Good thing DB didn't throw resources at a new DBR, now that it is even more uncertain.

                    It would have been nice if the system you proposed got implemented. I understand the maths behind it, but my only concern is that the trash matches would severely destabilize it. In terms of actual data, a significant number of games go for less than 15mins of which the outcome is not based on skill at all (leavers). If DB could reliably filter those, then your old system would have been pretty good.

                    Now however, we have to give up on trying to rate people. The three tiers was not enough anyway to reliably approximate skill. We would preferably need 5 or more tiers of skill.

                    Relentless

                      It appears that the Skill brackets are still being used, but hidden. Maybe they have changed the distribution.

                      I was just checking on some games for Slark...just a rough check of the last ten minutes. There were

                      4 Very High... 9%
                      10 High......... 23%
                      29 Normal..... 67%

                      I really need to look at a much larger sample to be sure. But it may be that they are experimenting with the MMR in some way.

                      jimmydorry

                        How were you checking relentless? I don't have a client on me to experiment with.

                        EDIT: I see the API changes now. Dayum, that is annoying.

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                        Woof Woof

                          very high will cover 90% of playerbase soon

                          jimmydorry

                            Normal is the new VH

                            Relentless

                              Unfortunately the servers are crashing so much I can't complete the searches I need to do this between disconnections. I think they must still be screwing around with something.

                              Relentless

                                With the last update the recent games tab appears to have been disabled, except for searching a specific game ID. Every combination of inputs returns "no results". Now I can't check skill brackets at all. Maybe that was intention and they failed to block all methods on the first attempt.

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                                Yoshi

                                  All i know is that i've been getting awful games even more after the patch...

                                  Woof Woof

                                    nothing else should be expected today with 120k payers online mm found games for me twice in 5s and once in 8

                                    danN-

                                      First removing dbr, then you cant see wins or level , now you cant even see bracket. why dont they just hide everything !?!

                                      Goim

                                        i got my new lossstreak rekord after the patch 9 games 9 losses (full with trolls/flamers/naps) i was playing very high b4 now it seems i´m playing in the retard bracket - but go on valve soon i will hide dota 2 ....