lol there isn't even a question what to go for. buriza obviously gives a lot more damage.
It does give more dmg, but, making Buriza on heroes that's kinda low-dps in early game is questionable.
Buriza likes dmg, if you don't have dmg, buriza is kinda useless..
So I'd rather go MKB on TrollWarlod, then in late game, if i need it - I'd add some crits.
Are you on drugs?
Let's take your 'TrollWarlod' and assume he is given a chance to inflict 20 hits onto the enemy. We shall forget about his own stats/damage etc or any other items he might have and only take into account either MKB or daedalus.
daedalus:
5 crits 15 hits
5 * 81 * 2.4 + 81 * 15 = 2187
MKB:
15% attack speed will give him an extra 3 hits hence 23 overall.
23*0.35 ~ 8 attacks with bash so:
(8 * 88 + 100) + 15 * 88 = 2124
And this discounts any original damage a hero might have which would obviously favour daedalus.
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i actually believe skull basher is better than mkb because u can stun instead of mini bash
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Your calculation is wrong
MKB:
15% attack speed will give him an extra 3 hits hence 23 overall.
23*0.35 ~ 8 attacks with bash so:
(8 * 88 + 100) + 15 * 88 = 2124
it is
8(88+100) + 15*88 = 2824
But u're right if we include the base damage daedalus will scale better since mkb has constant Bonus added.
NOTE : Even at 100 base damage troll warlord, MKB will give u total 5124 damage while buriza gives you 4887. Not to mention, those 3 extra attacks will give you more chance of troll's mini bash and preventing future's Butterfly. So you really need a 1st DPS item core on troll to make Daedalus > MKB.
Yeah i've already noticed, were hoping that no one would spot it haha! But as i said this excludes base damage or damage from other items. On troll warlord you wouldn't go for mkb straight away would you? You'd either get bkb/shadow blade/yasha etc which would total your base damage to at least 150
And any -armor aura will favour daedalus since it increases the damage (and the crits) but the +100 damage is a constant.
Daedaulus > MKB only if you have more than 160 damage, and ofc MKB > Buriza against evasion.
why would you count 15 hits exactly,
Daedalus gives 35% bonus damage on average(from crits), aside from 109 (81*1.35)
While MKB gives 35 bounus magical damage on average (and mini-stun). aside from 88 dmg + 15 attack speed.
So obviously daedalus is better late-game item vs heroes without evasion, but it won't be as effective on some heroes that have crits for themselves(jugger,BH,PA) , And I would almost always go MKB on gyrocopter, but still, medusa would go for deadalus.
In dota 2 luck doesn't affect your crits because the % is subject to pseudo-random distribution. In english - the probability is rigged so that shit like 20 crits in a row or no crits in 20 hits doesn't happen
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It's pseudo-random, which means if the crit doesn't happen then the next time you have higher chance of critting and so on so on, converging to 100%.
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140%[bonus damage on crit]x25%[chance to crit]=35% bonus damage on average. but it's still average.
actually, the real answer is it doesnt matter. Only when you need a counter for evasion, you go for mkb (or if you like that minibash). The difference in dps doesnt amount to much. if you are a troll warlord that gets disabled before you can hit anybody it doesnt matter what you have.
ahaha just read that @And I would almost always go MKB on gyrocopter
means sometime he get buri on gyro; aaahahaha so looooooooooolllllll !!!!
Why is that so funny? There is only a difference of 7 damage between mbk and daedalus that wouldn't matter really in a fight. But daedalus would deal more damage to a single target given enough base + item damage.
http://dotabuff.com/players/126558470/matches?hero=gyrocopter&game_mode=&match_type=real
plz teach us how to play gyro master.
Why not get both get Monkey King bar first then Daedalus. But in most situations Monkey King bar will give you more dps. On heroes like Sniper Daedalus is better, since he already has a semi monkey king bar.
a kid who goes shadowblade gyro has called me an idiot on 3 separate threads thats actually kinda depressing
Daedulus for damage. Mkb for utility. /thread
Honestly for all practical scenarios daed always gives more damage unless you need to bypass evasion.
if the enemy carry is agi getting mkb is almost always a better idea as a precaution. or is capable of building butterfly as part of their item trajectory.
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These calculations also discount any bonus agility / attack speed.
When it's late game I rather go Daedalus, cuz sure you can proc multiple 100+ damage, but if you crit once you've done just as much. Usually late game ur bound to crit at least 3 times or more during fight so it's well worth it.
Oh crap it's that same guy that posted, "What did i do wrong?" in CM mode.. first picked CM.. lol
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So, what do you think?
Would you go for MKB or Buriza, if enemy team does not have evasion(buter of passive ability)..
On heroes like: SF, Luna, Void...
MKB does give you Truestrike and mini-stun, also nice 30 AS, but i see Buriza(daedalus) much more effective item in lategame?
So I'd always rather go for Buriza on heroes that naturaly have tons of damage.