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> Don't give up
You'd be surprised what little morale boost can accomplish. ;)
I had a game that went 11-0 in favour of the other team before minute 10 that we ended up winning. It's not impossible to come back from those situations, but it often depends on the lineup. If you have better lategame and they don't have strong enough of a push lineup, a bit of perseverance can result in a comeback - especially if you have a lineup that can punish sloppiness and overconfidence.
Avoid dumb fights, push some towers if they go as 5 (again, easier if they don't have a strong push lineup themselves) and hope your carries try to farm up instead of running around like headless chickens.
There's no recipe for "comebacks". In general it comes down to early-vs-late lineups and sloppiness on behalf of the team that gets ahead.
Sometimes a simple understanding of your odds could win a game knowing you have x hero or the late game or whatever. It is hard to win a game where you have been outpicked 100% and in times like that you need to motivate your team to at least group and smoke etc.
sometimes i feel like i definitely can't win
and i dont feel like im the "sole cause" of the loss, and i definitely could still cs better (kinda plateaued) but i'm unsure what else i can do .__.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/620786261
generally an average match for me, this one was a loss
i usually stick with the motto, "if you got nothin good to say don't say it"
was tryin to get my team to push mid, for some odd reason they kept stalling against a late team
maybe the stats don't tell the whole story, but there seems to be some noticeable differences
@A Dick Shun
lets be real that is not a avg match for you(look through your own match history)............you can tell the most about a player by how he loses a match and losing a match with a good score is not always a good indication of good play sometimes the opposite.
The best way to carry a team to a win is to pick off HIGH PRIORITY targets. In pubs people leave alone the other teams AM or Terrrorblade while going 10-0 taking out supports but after a while all those kills do nothing to a carry who is 6 slotted 25mins into the game :P
You need to look at who is being killed and who is getting the kills. A lich in one of my more recent games was killing all our support. Well he wasn't going to go all carry lich (it's possible but this guy was in support mode) on us so who really cares? We won easily 15 minutes later.
@lampson
um yeah
4-6kda, perhaps a little less denies than usual, a little more tower dmg than usual
so yes, it is an average match for me.
you can tell the most about a person when he talks about bullshit and makes self pity threads. congrats on the hypocrite award bro.
not sure why you have this need to flame/insult and then cry when the same is done to you
anyhow, thank you for your advice, albeit useless and old news
was looking for more accurate/descriptive solutions rather than vague generic basics :/
If you are talking about me making a thread messing around with a friend of mine you might wanna read that thread again since you obviously do not understand a joke
Padding your stats prior to ranked MM is nothing but fluff and if you look at all of your current matches show how you cant pull off similar stats when placed competitively. Look at all your current stats they are nowhere near your KDA avg on dotabuff because of how the old system worked
Nobody cares enough or has the time to go through each of your matches and say at X min you must to Y to win the match so being vague is the best you can get from randoms on the forums.
You where looking for someone to tell you 'it is not your fault you are pro' but sorry the harsh reality is that you need to focus on your own improvement rather than bitching that your teammates dont kill secure as much as you....
Ur nickname has "Dick".
If u had 4 carries and 1 support, and started badly, try to pro-long the game, and then u might have a chance at minute 40 mark.
A big MIGHT though.
rofl
my current stats are a blend of many games but mainly CM ranked
if you actually had the diligence you would've checked yourself
but you're a self presumptuous dickwad so i didn't expect anything
if anything i actually plummeted my stats as i sucked ass in the beginning during transitioning to dota 2, and i did this twice
mainly cause of the different hotkey setup Q W E R and neither my friend nor I knew of the legacy function
did i mention i have probably 100-150 games with a friend who builds stout/RoR/midas/dagon on 90% of his games?
you probably doubt me, so maybe ill get him to register on dotabuff, though i highly doubt he'd want to see his own stats
2900 solo queue 3300 party (and he only parties with me usually)
i've only been on dotabuff for like a couple months so don't bullshit yourself again limpson
havoc surprisingly does, and it wasn't some sort of difficult question to answer. it was your own choice :/
sure vague is one thing, being a sarcastic prick is another (the fact that you're oblivious to it just goes to show how delusional u are)
i was looking for someone to tell me if there is a "pro" who can give "valid" tips on what to do in "bad" scenarios INCLUDING oneself.
that reality is that you need to stop flaming people and then maybe you won't be a popular chimpanzee
See there you go again making up a huge list of excuse of why you lost a match
When you play with lower MM players it avg's out both teams so saying "I played with a low MM player" is not a excuse for losing. I play with people well below your friends MM and you dont see me crying about his poor item choices/decision making because guess what? The other team has the same issues on their team because of how valve balances matches.
You like Havoc's answer because it gives you a easy escape from reality of 'Well we where counter picked the loss was not my fault'
If you want a professional to give you the exact same answer as me ask Waga or just read his post he did a couple of days ago.
go through all of your last matches and show me where exactly 4-6 kda is 'avg' for you? The reality is the only way you can improve is to get rid of the self delusions of your own skill level and accept that there is always alot you could have done in a match
what excuse?
are you fucking serious you delusional twat?
do you want a midas/dagon player who never supports and bitches all game about no wards even though he jungles throughout the entire game? "excuses" LMAO. coming from a person who says "i just don't try" whenever he sucks.
rofl, valve balances matches based on MMR not on actual SKILL
if he's a core, then he's always mid.
if he's a support, then he's always a core.
if he doesn't get what he wants, then he's always a core.
this means the likelihood of pissing off the other solo support is much higher than usual, and him jungling with a midas, having less than 4k Hero dmg output per game, less than 1k tower dmg per game, 300+ cs per game and shit else all, is just not very HELPFUL even if the MMR SYSTEM is "balanced".
Why do I play with this guy? cause he just got out of the hospital, i know it's sad. What's sadder is that you think these are "excuses".
though this is not a black and white situation, simpson. skill, awareness, teamplay, picks, mistakes, luck, they all add up and contribute to a win/loss. i didn't say it was "all my team's fault", or "it's not my fault".
havoc's answer is more relative to the situation and not sarcastically insulting nor untrue
hmmm let's see... 500+ games, 80% cm ranked, stats are saying perhaps 3.5 (i'm generous) - 6.0 (still generous)
which means if i average a 4-6 KDA in a particular game, that to me is an AVERAGE performance.
what i'm asking is EXACTLY what you just stated, "always a lot more you could've done in a match"
which is it? csing better? having more awareness? different item choices?
not:
"lets be real that is not a avg match for you(look through your own match history)............you can tell the most about a player by how he loses a match and losing a match with a good score is not always a good indication of good play sometimes the opposite. "
herein implying that i probably/actually did poorly even though the replay, the stats; the evidence says otherwise, for that particular game. notice how I could simply choose not to BLAME my team for going 10-0? notice how I might actually have kept silent or ACCEPTED the fact that our lanes were weak and they couldn't do much? notice how YOU jump to the conclusion that i'm blaming everyone else but myself?
go fuck yourself simp, you're a real piece of trash man
what excuse?
"a midas/dagon player who never supports and bitches all game about no wards even though he jungles throughout the entire game?"
"if he's a core, then he's always mid.
if he's a support, then he's always a core.
if he doesn't get what he wants, then he's always a core."
"Why do I play with this guy? cause he just got out of the hospital"
you wrote a whole essay about your 'friend' who you only play with out of pity is dragging you down all the time. Then you go onto saying MM is broken because it does not show skill (MM shows how well you preform in pubs and if he is a 3.3k MM player he plays like a 3.3k MM player in pubs)
these are all excuses and with your attitude is quite obvious why you preform so poorly in pubs.
PS you might wanna edit your post because you will just get banned for it and you will never learn how to improve yourself :)
man
you're beyond absurd
i hope you're just trolling, or maybe it's hereditary
#geteducated
"whole essay", point form sentences = whole essay.
100-150 games / 500 + = all the time.
MMR =/= skill level = MMR broken omfg elo hell
This just goes to show your black and white thinking, but you belong a simpleton, therefore i won't judge you
seems like someone has already reported your account since the report function on your account is alrdy flagged. You might want to take your vacation from the forums as a time to reflect on your own gameplay :)
I would rather you just edit your posts before you get banned so I can use this thread as future reference for people who are immune to self critique
prancing around the subject and looking for a report?
lmao
try looking in the mirror before giving "critique"
i'm half tempted to screenshot 10% of the shit you've said and compile it together for u
but you'll probably still manage to delude yourself into thinking you're better than everyone, that you are above others, that you have the right to flame but others don't get to flame you.
ironic that you talk about banning though, if I recall you've been on your toes for quite awhile, and earned yourself a great reputation for jackass of the year.
Someone reported you alrdy whether it is purely for you name or for posts I have no idea ask the mods I dont have access to that. Feel free to do as you wish there is a report function under my name if you believe I am flaming.
If I remember correctly there was a community poll and I did not manage to secure that award :(
The fact that you believe you are doing charity for someone by playing with them shows just how delusional you are in regards to your own skill level
yo no one gives a fuck
If you really want just create a new account, if you are a 5k player you will get 5k in this new account
So simple
I play with 2 friends and they are quite bad too, still i play with them for fun so dont bitch about your friend dude ffs
and no, you CANTTTT win all games, literally imposible , but if you are really good you will win more than 50 % so more mmr with time, ez maths
don't really care, again, avoiding the subject
if i reported everyone for flaming i'd be stuck here all day wouldn't i?
i didn't say i was doing "charity", i simply said i kept playing with him due to the fact that he was in a life threatening situation. it isn't exactly the easiest to deal with "this person", though i keep in mind that he's in a different and probably worse scenario than i am.
the fact that you think there is no difference between sub 3k mmr and 4k+mmr just goes to show how delusional you are in regards to, well practically everything you want to be delusional in.
i didn't say i was a 5k player yo
my question is: what do I do when the enemy team has a huge advantage, both in terms of gold, XP, lane/team/hero advantage, etc
though since it's a difficult one to answer, i asked if anyone KNEW of someone "pro", who did.
at no point did i say: omg my team sucks this is elo hell this isn't my fault what did i do to deserve this
i don't want to bitch about my friend but there is a reason/explanation to the stats that simpson is selectively choosing to look at.
no shit i can't win all of my games, though some people imply otherwise and fail to do so themselves.
Just 5 man and force something. Either way, you'll bring yourself back in the game by taking towers/kills or get teamwiped and the game will end faster. win/win
'The best way to carry a team to a win is to pick off HIGH PRIORITY targets.'
I told you that, you ignored it because you started throwing a little hissy fit
I also pointed you out to Wagamama who is one of the top players on the leaderboard who posts here occasionally
You ignored it because you started throwing a hissy fit
Where did I say there was no difference between a 3k player and a 4k player? I said that even if you are playing with a 3k player the other team will have a even MM spread. Just like when I play with sub 3k MM friends I get to vs easier opponents then if I solo que which compensated for them being on my team.
While you did not use the term 'charity' you act like you are doing this person some kind of massive favor by gracing him with your presence in his match.
Also, if you're playing with a friend who is a lot worse than you, you have to expect you're going to be the best player on your team (and likely the game). This means the average of the enemy team is going to be higher than your teammates.
This means you have to take the game by the balls and make shit happen. If you let the game go 0-10, then you're being too passive and the other team is just outplaying. Obviously you can't help it if your team just dies in the laning phase, but you can do other things to make sure it doesn't get to this point. If you really want to win, you don't have to just out play, but pretty much coach your team to do what and when.
Since you were krob, just push towers. Either you'll get the towers uncontested and give your team a huge gold boost or you'll have 2-4 people defending towers. If the enemy team come mid, make sure your team is pushing another lane instead of farming the jungle. Tell your team to 5 man at the right time. If you let your team idly do whatever they want, most likely they're just going to die in lane solo, farm the slow ass jungle, and not get anything done.
Kind of stressful, but if you want to win while you're playing with shitty friends thats what you have to do. Usually, I just expect the loss and do whatever I want without stressing.
If your team is really bad you need to be really really really good to win.
If 2 or more of your team mates goes 0-6 in the first 10 minutes you probably cant win
its possible if you are wrecking your lane but your teammate is feeding. but it takes alot of effort to win these games.
i didnt' ignore it, i said thank you, albeit it was old news
i addressed this, but you ignored it and decided to switch subjects
i noticed your "waga" mention, however i already took a look at it.
You said that here: "When you play with lower MM players it avg's out both teams so saying "I played with a low MM player" is not a excuse for losing. I play with people well below your friends MM and you dont see me crying about his poor item choices/decision making because guess what? The other team has the same issues on their team because of how valve balances matches."
His solo queue is 2900 and DROPPING, his party queue is now 3300.
This means he actually DOESNT belong in this MMR bracket.
Which means this isn't an accurate representation of his skill in THIS PARTICULAR scenario.
layman's terms for baby simpy
actually it's more like, "if i'm so pissed off playing with this guy and if i think he's so bad, why do i keep playing with him?"
not, "wow this guy should be graced with my presence cause he's trash and i'm a god"
two entirely different ways of looking at a situation, but here u are, jumping the gun.
@frosty
i know that, however the difference lies in the choices that people in this bracket make.
unfortunately "my friend's" mmr is higher than it really should be
and if anyone really wants to argue that he deserves to be at whatever MMR his party queue is at, then either you are I, is delusional.
i can only hope i can display the exact same behavior and actions/imitate what happens in an average game when playing with each other.
I also only brought it up cause simpy likes to look at 1/30 pages of stats and always jumps to conclusions
@dorkly
yeah that was nowhere near a sad game, however our last two teammates kept refusing to push early
and im sad face when i don't know what to do
If you're 3.5 and everyone else is 2 you don't need wards, lane support, or smokes to win. You snowball out of control because your better decision making = you rarely die. If you didn't belong near your MMR you would win 1v9s because you would make the other team feed your team, either by ganking as a support or outfarming/winning lane/snowballing as a core.
Are your 2.9k teammates dumb? Yeah, but so are your 2.9k enemies. And idiots with kills and space outperform idiots who are feeding.
Nobody gets better at the game by focusing on how great they are and how shit their team is
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10-0 for the other team?
is there any good advice on "what to do" when shit goes wrong and you start off with disadvantages
i.e. poor team setup (4 carry 1 supp)
do they just rely on having better lane mechanics and awareness to put them ahead of the game?