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General DiscussionWhy do people love Midas so much?

Why do people love Midas so much? in General Discussion
nami

    You want to snowball?

    How about you get that 4 mins Phase + RoA as Jugger and stomp the lane? Those kills give you more exp and gold than dying with a raw midas.

    ._.

    Wink

      Because if you expect an inactive, slow game that will go late, you build a midas.

      Last game I played is a good example of this: http://dotabuff.com/matches/653637553

      8ish minute midas, yeah it was late, but it let me stay caught up in levels and farm

      yiran

        rot of atos fuck yeah

        nami

          @Wink, yeah especially for a non-gank type and lvl based mid laner like Invoker, I get it.

          But imagine 6 min Midas on Naix in a 2v2 duolane.

          ...

          Wink

            ^depends on your lineup and enemy lineup, midas is fine on naix because he also needs levels to be strong

            nami

              Your line of thought is correct however,

              most people don't share it. Normal mindset = I'm getting Midas no matter what.

              Wink

                Those people are stupid and wrong and must be educated

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                j$

                  midas is amazing and you can go fuck yourself

                  Wink

                    ^I don't think someone with a 48% winrate has a say in what items are good and bad in certain situations

                    and you can go fuck yourself

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                    j$

                      Esp, I don't think someone who has not proven their skill against me has anything to say in response to what I do.

                      Wink

                        numbers dont lie

                        Your items:
                        http://dotabuff.com/players/43298047/items

                        Your midas winrate and KDA:

                        Also all of your matches are in Normal rating, which means your MMR (Yes, you have an MMR in unranked) is below 3200, which is beyond scrub tier.

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                        j$

                          and your wr is 51% with it. what's your point?

                          nami

                            "depends on your lineup and enemy lineup, midas is fine on naix because he also needs levels to be strong"

                            Meaning he tends to buy it more when the situation allows it as opposed to forcefully getting it whenever.

                            You are technically supporting his argument by bringing up his WR.

                            Wink

                              I build it when it's actually a good idea to build, and I utilize it properly, I don't just say "midas is amazing and you can go fuck yourself"

                              j$

                                it's a public forum. i can say what I want. If you would like my reasoning, I could provide some strong points. On the other hand, item WR is a flawed statistic. That item did not have full contribution to the match winning. Also, this stat is based on your inventory when the game is over. It a true effective situation, you are selling your midas and 6 sloting your hero so this adds to this flawed stat as well. If I end a game with midas, It was because I bought it in a game I lost in less than 30 minutes and should have probably not done that.

                                Wink

                                  That logic is actually even more flawed because you also win matches with midas in your inventory. It's not like every match you have midas in your inventory you lost. Infact, looking at your match history, I went all the way to your 50-60 minute long matches and still a VERY small portion of your matches are you legitimately six-slotted and even sadder is that you rarely even have a Midas in those games. My previous argument is extremely valid.

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                                  Flyingpigs

                                    guys please

                                    ★n7k1

                                      New dota 2 e-peen measurements:

                                      1. Winrate of any kind
                                      2. MMR
                                      3. Compendium Level
                                      4. Coolness posting in forum
                                      5. ???

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                                      BOSS

                                        cause +95GPM

                                        mwsqz

                                          the icon is awesome. there is no other reason rly

                                          Faded

                                            idk
                                            item stats aren't that reliable imo since it depends on "when the game ends"
                                            for instance, your tangos, healing salves, branches and whatnot undeniably helped you early game

                                            if you have them in your inventory whenever there's a loss, it'll properly display you losing with "X" item.
                                            however, given items like midas, you probably sold a large chunk of them, disposed of it throughout the game, and i'm pretty sure they don't get lumped into the "win" stats if you don't have the item in your inventory at the end of the game.

                                            i.e. i have 100% with 4 vitality boosters, which means in the 4 games that i had bought vitality boosters, i had ended the game without making *it into another item

                                            this makes item stats very skewed and unreliable imo, unless you're comparing the same hero item stats/builds on a consistent average

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                                            xqXpx

                                              Coz if you get midas. For sure you will receive the extra gold. But it's not sure that you will kill the other team.! You receive AS, extra exp and extra gold. Then if you have a good farm and you are not trying to rush the game. Midas it's a good item and you can see how in competitive scene they get midas too. You know when PRO start doing something then a lot of people in public games start doing the same.

                                              allidoiswynn

                                                Hand of Midas 139
                                                68.35%
                                                3.66

                                                Works for me!

                                                Most people cannot determine how a game is going to progress activity-wise and then just go for a non-optimal midas.

                                                Oh well

                                                epsik-kun

                                                  Actually, your winrate with Midas _should_ be bad. Because at the end of a game where Midas was useful it should be sold thus not being recorded by Dotabuff as an item used in the game.

                                                  Also, fuck Midas.

                                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                    Out of all items, this one is used the worst by all pub players. Every fucking time when you have 3/4 carries, at least 2 of them gets midas. And the reasoning is "dude we have to share farm so i need midas" The fuck dude? That's not how things work. You need to survive the early game, and you will win late game anyways. Why the fuck do you waste your money on an item that won't do shit for you? Get a fucking drums instead.

                                                    Sir

                                                      you buy items for the game not the hero.

                                                      Sir

                                                        Oh and again Winrate means nothing when taken out of a complete context.

                                                        Androgynous

                                                          'drum' not 'drums'

                                                          TB's line for drum he also says 'drums of endurance' which annoys me to no end

                                                          Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                            It's just habit, but since you got all that mad I'm not gonna be able to say "drums" again.