General Discussion(A better farming thread) Top 5 jungling units the first 15 minutes o...

Would you also count them roaming into lane or would it be pure jungle

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Pure jungle 15 min

tb gets the equivalent of 56 last hits in lane by 10 minutes

If all goes well, I think Doom can get the most. Use choke point jungling, Devour whenever it's up, and get a Wildkin to clear stacks.

TB > Lycan imo, Lycan is kind of luck dependant on jungle

Chen with stackerino

Lone druid is slow as fuck in wood, and doom aswell, using devour doesn't make for the fact he is 10 time slower to clean spot.
Lycan is great, but it's hard
Chen with stack is highly dependant on wildking, so I wouldn't put it
Furion is not fast, he is safe, tanky, but slow dps unit, slow dps hero.

I'm only sure about order for the 2 first though:
Enigma (obvious)
Bat (that know how to stack 3 camp at once -a bit more worth it in radiant-) -well after 10 min he might not be the 2nd fastest-
TB
Lycan
axe (I still remember a 12 minutes tarasque axe...)

In theory, beastmaster could also be awesome, with his ability to stack up to (5 radiant camp / 4 dire camp) each minutes, so even if he doesn't clean very fast, it doesn't matter ^^

All I know is Enigma, Furion, then Doom

how do u stack up 5 camps as beastmaster..?

^At radiant, you use axes to clear the trees between hardcamp and mediumcamp (closest too mid), you use boar to stack these.
Then you just use Axes on the 3 other camps

sry to break it to u boys,

but

1. Engima
2. SAND FUCKING KING
3. meh who cares

enigma bat TB sandking and axe

Assuming the jungler doesn't fuck up the pullspot, Sand King is pretty fucking bad as it's nearly impossible to get lvl 3 (lvl2 sandstorm), unless you get Satyrs/whatevertheyarecalled only.

Wraith King

Kappa

I havent actually tried it because it sounds terrible as a pure jungle but maybe Tinker on radiant. The 3 camps closest to the T1 can all be hit by 1 march and stacked, may be slow to start but in the mid game it gets alot of gold so if you get a heap of early levels in march somehow it might work out.

Wood tinker is better than ancient tinker actually ..

I've seen a jungle tinker once and it's actually legit...

I know its better than ancients...

Enigma, hands down, fastest jungler.

I think enigma would be the fastest.

Going to try Matrice's jungle terrorblade again. Except do a shadowblade/dagon for lols... see how it works ill report back.

do eb instead of dagon, same damage, but it's usefull ^^

how the fuck jungling tinker is better than ancients lmao

cause if done properly he get more gold mb ?

It's pretty easy to do it way better in dire, in radiant, it needs a brain to function.

Not to mention that he has a more fluent xp/gold income, which help even more to farm.

hrmm dagon/shadowblade fail ill try eblade next time..

EDIT:

Man Matrice ive watched your jungling games... I seem to not be able to farm quickly. What camps do you scout lvl 1 on medium camps? Sayter camps and troll camps? What if you dont get those, I had 2x bird camps a troll camp and a hellbear camp. All those smoke me too fast lvl 1 then i end up walking to base.

enigma.other answers trash players.

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Can I get your autograph?

Sign it "To trash player Signed anal warts"

@Cpt. Caveman, I dont like the birds cuz they give too little xp and the big one is pretty tanky. If you are lvl 1 and low hp i think to die to creeps is faster then going back to base. After 3 wraith bands and quelling blade jungling with terrorblade becomes a lot easier, but as far as i saw in your game you made only 1 wraith band. You really need them for agi(damage), for mana and also hp. But i have only played like 6 games with him and lost only my first one. I hope matrice gives you a better answer anyway :)

Yeah better answer than elements... trash players no shit? Wheres your list fagnasty

I don't scout anything ^^
I just go for the medium camp, then either stacking it, or going for a hard camp (going straight to hard camp if already lvl 2)
I almost always suicide for the first back, no matter which lvl

I tryed several starting build, and the 3 slippers + circlet is actually the only one that allow to make wolf/satyre respawn if you fall on them for first spot. At least 2 wraith band is mandatory for wooding.

There's only one single start i hate:

Ogre for first spot, with centaure/ursa every where else (and respawn of centaure -cause in dire it's actually possible to make them respawn when youwere attacking them-) Ursa lvl1 is not doable, and killing little centaure avec an ogre spot don't give lvl2.

Best starting spot is wolves, 2nd best is satyre (both give lvl2, but wolves are a bit less tanky)
When i reach lvl2, i don't care on what i will fall next, easy lvl 3 with meta, and then, with illu lvl 2 + gold earned, you have no problem to farm.

I seem to die too fast probably not microing my illusions properly. Do you always max E/W to lvl 8? Do you just put 1 pt in Q (slow)? I see you pushing out tier 1 under 10 min typically near woods. Is that the goal?

P.S. I have a really tough time sundering. I seem to get focused down. I dont see too many games where you have bkb. Whats the rule on bkb?

Engima is definitely tops. What about chen and enchantress? They seem pretty pwn as well. Then probably np and doom for me.

I don't get how people jungle lycan. I can do it, but I end up killing like 2 camps then having to go back to base, then 2 more, back to base. Even with wolf juggling. They die so fast before lvl 3. Once I get wolves lvl 3 though it's smooth sailing. Levels 0-5 is terrible, I'm usually hitting 5 when our dual lanes are 6. But after than I leapfrog them quickly and am usually ~10 and going to rosh as mid hits 10. Is that normal?

^ I don't know too much about jungle (actually a damn forest), but I guess that even though Chen and Ench can farm reasonably fast, you don't want them to farm non-stop for the first 15 minutes.

Well probably not but that was the thread, who can free farm most out of jungle in 15 mins. Lycan hangs in there cus after ~lvl 6 or so he snowballs fast, clears jungle real fast. But the first 6 or 7 mins I have a very rough time with him and wondered if that's normal.

Ursa also isn't too shabby. You will get low and run back to base a couple times and he's stronger in lane most games but he can jungle to 6 as well as lycan for me anyway.

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Been able to hang in with ursa w/o going to base with:

Stout shield
1x tango pack
1x Ring of protection

Then going:

Morbid mask
Sages mask
Ring of health
Vlad recipe

Since morbid stacks w/fury swipes now I can hang in. I tried quelling balde/stout/1x tango pack but didn't work. I do the dirty and kill ez creeps from the pull camp 2x and usually get lvl 2 out of that and hunt down any camp that isn't birds or ursa and worked fine. Gotta remember to focus down the bigger guy in the camp. Typically bigger guys will do 2x or 3x the damage of the little guys in camps and health lost over time will be less believe it or not. I used to kill little guys in the camp first but found a good youtube video from XV proving me wrong and changing my jungling habits.

LIFESTEALER BEST HERO!

^ o ya forgot about lifestealer