Death Prophet will make it to top tier again. Sleepers include Mirana, Drow Ranger and Elder Titan. That Mirana agi growth was actually pretty huge, puts her close to the top (behind Morph?) for highest agi gain.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new meta focuses on longer games, more oriented on hard carries (and generally more item/farm dependent picks as well as being level dependent). We might see Invo return a bit more, since I rarely see him in this meta...he simply falls off or gets destroyed on mid by Lina or Lesh, and as far as hard carries go, we might see a bit more of Medusa. Tinker as well as far as mid goes, since no one is willing to risk playing him vs something like Lina lol
This is easy to answer. You can look at pick rate since yesterdays patch and see the top 3 picked.
But, I will list what I think the meta will end up being after a month or so. And I will probably be right.
Ogre, Invoker, and Legion
Ogre because of stuns and tower buff
Invoker because all tryhard mids want to be good with him
Legion because it was already borderline meta before, now shes even stronger.
Thanks icefrog. All we will hear every game is the duel music and the cheering audience.
What is worse:
People on your team who suck with Pudge but keep picking him.
Legion in every game blink-dueling your softest team mates.
People picking invoker to mid on your team, and fail hard because they cant play invoker.
Terrorblade illusions rofl stomping every lane every game.
Windranger's 45 minute shackle
Tombstone in your lanes every game... now improved with added terrorblade illusions
Riki picks (now its worse)
Like spectre was not already annoying enough, now we get buffs to it
Good Abaddon players were irritating before... now he will be picked alot more. Now with improved mist coil spamming.
Previous Issues:
Tusk in every game with shadow blade and desolator
Leshrac lightning hitting you from a screen away
Cheesedick storm players spamming ult left and right during a fight (and having to listen to that godawful voice)
People picking pudge on your team but suck with him every game (this issue has not changed)
People on your team picking Riki when you already have an invis hero (this will now be worse)
Afk necro farming
Bloodseeker spam!
Improvements:
No more gay ponies running around ez-moding everything
No more listening to queen of pain screaming all the time
No more gyro spamming call-down in every team fight
No more zip-zap storm spammers. WHERES THE PARTY?! HO OH!! IM OVER HERE!! LOOKING FOR MEEEEE!? <----- Best fix so far
Can finally play batrider again without getting laughed at
Treant finally supporting more games
Ogre is back.... but it sucks ass when hes on the enemy team
Elder Titan is actually cool now
Lifestealer walking around inside one of the ancients and harrassing your creep lane
F u c k techies
F u c k bloodseeker
More improvements:
Can finally play batrider again without getting laughed at
Treant finally supporting more games
Ogre is back.... but it sucks ass when hes on the enemy team
Elder Titan is actually cool now
Lifestealer walking around inside one of the ancients and harrassing your creep lane
Less bloodseeker
F U C K TECHIES
Not sure if your more mad that meepo didnt get love, or that your leshrac got nerfed.
I would also prefer to see something more constructive from you than a simple troll statement.
You also allowed yourself to be "bothered" enough to post it.
I can not be sure about PL's situation. From 3.0 to 2.6 agi gain can be huge since a good PL gets leveled up fast. Doppleganger now has a cast time. But Purge doesn't have a cooldown any more. I think PL will stay relevant but won't be dominant as much as 6.84 version. Spectre looks stronger for now.
I'd like to see Lycan getting some action again, but he still utilizes better as pusher. So I don't think these buffs won't be huge.
Spectre, Night Stalker and Undying (y, I think Undy is stronger than ever with becoming more late-game oriented.)
If PA have diffusal does that mean u can mana burn someone using dagger? and what if u have multiple items that procs i.e mkb, diffusal, skadi, and lifesteal , do they all proc when u dagger?
Spectre is OP, she doesnt need that farm speed buff (the desolate one), about dispersion buff i dont care cause the way heroes must be buffed is making them better in a unique way and shit like that is a nice buff.
BUT desolate buff "solves" the farm speed problem of spec and all her items got buffed Radiace, Manta, Phase and now AC and VG are viable (dispersion buff), she was bad at flash farming and that was fair, i hope they revert that change cause Spectre is one of my main heroes and is so shit seeing her as a cancer ebola shitstain hero who everybody will spam.
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Number 12 enchantress?
guys... TINKER is imba again! we're fucked
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Ogre magi got buffed which tbh if this hero was ranged would be played a ton more anyways so funny to me.
Icefrog let's give ogre another +1 armor....sure why not.
Also in before more lion Aghs and Magnus combos.
hope spec doesnt become fotm that would be upsetting
@allison spec top pick=> tinker Biblethump
Death Prophet will make it to top tier again. Sleepers include Mirana, Drow Ranger and Elder Titan. That Mirana agi growth was actually pretty huge, puts her close to the top (behind Morph?) for highest agi gain.
I wouldn't be surprised if the new meta focuses on longer games, more oriented on hard carries (and generally more item/farm dependent picks as well as being level dependent). We might see Invo return a bit more, since I rarely see him in this meta...he simply falls off or gets destroyed on mid by Lina or Lesh, and as far as hard carries go, we might see a bit more of Medusa. Tinker as well as far as mid goes, since no one is willing to risk playing him vs something like Lina lol
Lesh and Lina need nerfs, Lina especially...
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This is easy to answer. You can look at pick rate since yesterdays patch and see the top 3 picked.
But, I will list what I think the meta will end up being after a month or so. And I will probably be right.
Ogre, Invoker, and Legion
Ogre because of stuns and tower buff
Invoker because all tryhard mids want to be good with him
Legion because it was already borderline meta before, now shes even stronger.
Thanks icefrog. All we will hear every game is the duel music and the cheering audience.
What is worse:
People on your team who suck with Pudge but keep picking him.
Legion in every game blink-dueling your softest team mates.
People picking invoker to mid on your team, and fail hard because they cant play invoker.
Terrorblade illusions rofl stomping every lane every game.
Windranger's 45 minute shackle
Tombstone in your lanes every game... now improved with added terrorblade illusions
Riki picks (now its worse)
Like spectre was not already annoying enough, now we get buffs to it
Good Abaddon players were irritating before... now he will be picked alot more. Now with improved mist coil spamming.
Previous Issues:
Tusk in every game with shadow blade and desolator
Leshrac lightning hitting you from a screen away
Cheesedick storm players spamming ult left and right during a fight (and having to listen to that godawful voice)
People picking pudge on your team but suck with him every game (this issue has not changed)
People on your team picking Riki when you already have an invis hero (this will now be worse)
Afk necro farming
Bloodseeker spam!
Improvements:
No more gay ponies running around ez-moding everything
No more listening to queen of pain screaming all the time
No more gyro spamming call-down in every team fight
No more zip-zap storm spammers. WHERES THE PARTY?! HO OH!! IM OVER HERE!! LOOKING FOR MEEEEE!? <----- Best fix so far
Can finally play batrider again without getting laughed at
Treant finally supporting more games
Ogre is back.... but it sucks ass when hes on the enemy team
Elder Titan is actually cool now
Lifestealer walking around inside one of the ancients and harrassing your creep lane
F u c k techies
F u c k bloodseeker
More improvements:
Can finally play batrider again without getting laughed at
Treant finally supporting more games
Ogre is back.... but it sucks ass when hes on the enemy team
Elder Titan is actually cool now
Lifestealer walking around inside one of the ancients and harrassing your creep lane
Less bloodseeker
F U C K TECHIES
Youre wrong on so many levels i cant even be bothered correcting it all. Just delete your post
Not sure if your more mad that meepo didnt get love, or that your leshrac got nerfed.
I would also prefer to see something more constructive from you than a simple troll statement.
You also allowed yourself to be "bothered" enough to post it.
Earthshaker, Spectre , LC
Why do you think people should care about what a normal skill %45 winrate player says? Especially when it's this long, it's probably just nonsense.
Dont liked LC before this patch
always enemy team get fed and snoballs hard ...
and as teammates got to feed and lose horribly...
LC will be like lesh/storm dunno :/
*playing duel drums*
*incoming cheers*
will be many games that way ._.
I can not be sure about PL's situation. From 3.0 to 2.6 agi gain can be huge since a good PL gets leveled up fast. Doppleganger now has a cast time. But Purge doesn't have a cooldown any more. I think PL will stay relevant but won't be dominant as much as 6.84 version. Spectre looks stronger for now.
I'd like to see Lycan getting some action again, but he still utilizes better as pusher. So I don't think these buffs won't be huge.
Spectre, Night Stalker and Undying (y, I think Undy is stronger than ever with becoming more late-game oriented.)
idc i'm just going to spam legion and brew on my way to 4.5k
e: + maybe tinker, dunno how strong he is so far
enigmas 420 blaze it black holes AoE
enigma 420 blackhole = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-8Ypb1o-Bk
@arin
Did someone say Brew? o_o Kappa
@Goethe
oh lol its 420 i didnt even pay attention, i see what valve did there
blaze it blaze it
what the fuck
i just got bashed by pa dagger
stifling dagger + orb of venom
enjoy 62% slow on 6 second cooldown with 2 second downtime
yeah orb, seemed crazy good when I thought of it, and it's cheap, so new meta? Kappa
I was already making it on my PA build ages ago anyways (sold it mid game) but now there's even more reason to make it.
imagine daedalus working with PA dagger.
Well, it works, but PA dagger applies a 0 dmg attack, so it doesnt do anything
PA + Skadi with Vlads = enjoy 4 sec max. slow
why vlads? Satanic duh.
Any source of lifesteal works with skadi
Because %62 slow is OP but %50 is shit, with the same downtime.
Invoker
@allu
didnt knew that any orb effect works with any lifesteal
In my mmr (666 as usual) there are many russian smurfing Invokers in enemy team and this patch will make it even worse...
not any orb.
only skadi works with lifesteal like MoM, HotD etc.
But for example, desolator doesnt work neither with HotD, Mom or with Skadi.
Vlads is not an orb effect tho.
aaaah ok
now i got it :D
If PA have diffusal does that mean u can mana burn someone using dagger? and what if u have multiple items that procs i.e mkb, diffusal, skadi, and lifesteal , do they all proc when u dagger?
you get burn slow lifesteal and chance to proc mkb i believe
Dagger can actually cleave for an insane amount of damage, but i am sure its a bug
How can it cleave if it's an instance of dmg = 0
Does it splash the base damage from the dagger if you have BF lol?
no it splashes from you. But only if the dagger crit, otherwise its as you said, 0 dmg.
Anyway, it got patched
LC
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1821823057
THANKS VALVE! Lifestealer radiance min 16 inside an ancient creep is unstopable, hope they fix it soon. Just playing captain's mode till then.
Spectre is OP, she doesnt need that farm speed buff (the desolate one), about dispersion buff i dont care cause the way heroes must be buffed is making them better in a unique way and shit like that is a nice buff.
BUT desolate buff "solves" the farm speed problem of spec and all her items got buffed Radiace, Manta, Phase and now AC and VG are viable (dispersion buff), she was bad at flash farming and that was fair, i hope they revert that change cause Spectre is one of my main heroes and is so shit seeing her as a cancer ebola shitstain hero who everybody will spam.
Why is everyone saying spectre she got fucking nerfed
death prophet death prophet death prophet
see me in the club with it tatted on my chest
no seriously, with euls and phase boots active she's running 518, + octarine refresher GG
Drow + any range carry
TB (Just wait till everyone figures out 8s wall of replica is op)
And still wr
me, ur mom and ur sister
Glad someone else said Tinker cuz that hero is actually the greatest mid-late game cancer ever.