General DiscussionSome math

By then someone will have hit 10k mmr lol

I'm impressed you actually figured that shit out. Like... too much work for my small brain

your math is wrong
luckily that's good for you

Let's say you have 54% winrate and you want to get over 1500 mmr gap. That equals to (roughly, it's probably a bit more) 60 games won in a row. (60*25=1500)

With 54% winrate, you will lose 46% of your games. That means the other 46% percent of matches won't matter, because you will lose 46% of games and win another 46% => zero points acquired. That leaves 100%-46%-46% = 8% of matches you have to win (not necessarily in a row, since you get over 50% winrate with these wins, these points will count.)
So 8% of the matches is those 60 games.

8%=60 games, so 100%=750 games you have to play with 54% winrate.

if you don't believe, you can check it like this:
750*0.54=405 (won)
750*0.46=345 (lost)
405-345=60 (the difference from 50% wr, won matches)

About a year or two

if you have a 54% winrate at <4.5k you will not have that going on so it will take even longer.

winrate is not Directly connected to mmr. Math is wrong in so many lvls i dont even know where to start.

^did he say anything about winrate being correlated to mmr? He calculated the time it will take for him to get 6k mmr assuming that he has the same winrate. I believe you're the one who is wrong here

math Kreygasm

@sir
what are you talking about

we know initial mmr (4500), we know final mmr (6000), we know winrate (54%), we know how many pts you get for win (25, that's the only point where it's a bit unclear because you sometimes get a bit less or more, so I said that the actual number of games might be a bit different)
what's wrong with that

we're not calculating with the FINAL winrate (with the games played to this point)

we just want a number of games you need to play to gain 1500 mmr with 54% winrate

actually the final winrate will be around 54% as well, if he was playing with 54% wr to this point.. i'm a bit braindead as it seems

there are two kinds of people depending on their reaction when they face something they don't understand. the first ones are those who think others are stupid and doing mistakes, and the second ones consider themselves to be unable to get the idea due to lack of knowledge or w/e.
both might be roght in different cases, but the over-confident ones create negative impression in any case.

The only problem is that will you maintain that win rate at higher MMR.

lets put the spam doom factor in.

Oh 6k in 2 weeks.

@Arin, oh, that's right, I knew I made a mistake somewhere, ty
Doesn't look THAT terrifying now :D

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HOW VERY MATH, perhaps add this nonsense to your mathproof! OH YOU KIDS

get your dicks, I mean dictionaries out boys

With 54% your expectation value is at +2mmr per match (0.54-0.46)*25, hence the 1500/2 = 750 games to gain those points. Assuming +/- 25 mmr ofc.

so many matheMAGICIANS on db btw

"guys maybe if i will pull out my dictionary and throw all these technical terms into one post, i'll surely look smart"
yoo rofl

I got my dictionary out Kreygasm

1) your winrate will go down
2) you need to get better at dota faster than your competition if for example, you gave it 100% of your effort and got to 4.6k, technically that means you cannot get more mmr unless other players slack off.

i always love the ambitious person. go replace dendi

i dont understand what is it all about, but since it is about maths, im in lmao
whom are we flaming?

Arin did the math right, but it doesn't matter because as Marlan says your winrate will decrease as MMR increases.

There is little reason to believe you could ever reach 6k MMR no matter what you do if you have a only a 54% winrate at 4.5k.

You have to actually outplay everyone in between you and 6k players hundreds of times so you have to truly be a superior player to do it. If you were, then you would win 4.5k games very easily not by a slight 4% margin.

how can u defeat pros in dota 1 with a 51% winrate at 3k
Kappa

^^the fact that he has 54% and 4.5k is not a good indicator.
he could progress at higher speed when he was in 3ks, and in this case it reasonable to assume that his winrate will decrease later. But if he had 54% when he had 3k, 4k and has it now, it might be just the constant rate of his progress, which reflects how fast he learns things.

It's easy.

Step (1) get on teams with pro players
Step (2) play 5 role
Step (3) get wards up without feeding => enemy pro players defeated because their 3.8k player fed like crazy.

Anyway my winrate in Very High is 55.87%. Those are 4k MMR + games. I know how to play support very well, but supporting people who are bad doesn't accomplish much. I don't have the talent to play other roles at Very High mmr.

theorically if you can maintain urself at 4k by playing supports, you can grind mmr in lower bracket just cz on a sample of games which is large enough u gonna have strictly positive winrate, am I wrong?

i'm sure that you can make a lot of impact by supporting in lower bracket if your teammates aren't totally braindead

for example, i used to play lion a lot in 4.5k when i was in triplestack
when i tried to play in lower bracket, it felt actually really easy and i could see enemies out of position (which i wouldn't notice before playing with triple). you could dominate all the lanes alone just by running around map and pressuring every lane by ganking and opponents had no idea what to do