What i do is in hero selection, i give off positive vibes.
I say,
"glhf everyone, i can support if needed but id like to play carry =)."
Deep inside i am a flamer but i always stay positive and never flame.
^^^^ dota is one of the best games ever,
Its just that when noobs que to find a match, someone has to be on their team unfortunately, then that makes the game unenjoyable at times.
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN REACH THE NEXT LEVEL OF DOTA OR JUST VERY HIGH SKILL MM BY PLAYING CORES EXCLUSIVELY THEN YOU ARE A DELIRIOUS ESCAPIST MISER THINKING DOTA AS AN EASY EGO TRIP
How do you expect people to react when you already claim the most popular role?
Try adding "please" to the end.
"carry, please"
That one word will make all the difference.
Also, this is hardly a scientific hypothesis when you haven't even tested asking for other roles and comparing the results from that.
I always ask for safelane carry cuz i got 60% wr as carry and like 45% as Support. So why would u not let me carry?
Most people play carries better than they play support and they feel more in control of the game's outcome
Carrying is also easier to do well in compared to support
I mark the safelane from the start and for the most part no one contests me. If they do I just support or offlane
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN REACH THE NEXT LEVEL OF DOTA OR JUST VERY HIGH SKILL MM BY PLAYING CORES EXCLUSIVELY THEN YOU ARE A DELIRIOUS ESCAPIST MISER THINKING DOTA AS AN EASY EGO TRIP
Tell me more pls
There are probably a lot of "carry only" players, so when you take that role they can't really play the game, which causes frustation.
its 10/10 bm to type mid or safe in chat when loading, tbh I don't play supports these days, but I always make sure there isnt a far better player on my team before marking a core role.
But think about this: You are ~4200 mmr solo and you start searching. You are matched with 2 5.2k guys who are in your bracket due to low party mmr and all you 4ks instant mark the 3 core roles, thats what players hate and the higher the mmr bracket the more annoying this is starting to get. Like imagine a ~5200 player typing "mid/safe carry" when loading in a 6500 av mmr game
and smurf accounts dont rly help either
Because carry/mid players have for an unknown reason big ego, bad attitude and are very often more toxic than off/support players. You rarely see flaming support (lets say Dazzle) compared to mid (Invoker - these are most toxic players ever).
In conclusion - I expect them to be assholes
People expect them to be assholes for obvious reasons, reasons that anyone who's spent even 500 hours on Dota should know. There's no "revolutionary scientific study" that needs to be done on the topic, there's already tons of empirical evidence as to why people hate on people who claim to be " carry players. " Carry me to victory oh leader! Yeah right, go play support scrub.
2) Players assume that playing carry is "easiest role" and when you say that you want to carry or that you play carry only they think you are noob and don't wanna commit supporting you.
Because it is...
requires the lowest amount of decision making yet instalockers usually manage to fuck it up and throw a super easy game
or they whine when they aren't given complete freefarm when it's impossible for supports to do something for them (agro dual f.e.)
and most of 4k carries are either afk or there's a cat walking on keyboard, playing for them half of the time
it's hard convincing people not just that you are a good carry player, but that you are also better at carrying than they are
with this international ranked fucking with people's mmrs and the resurgence of smurfs there's really no point in playing solo until ti6 is over
LUL brah, ppl who write safe farm in an instant most likely pick an am or a jugger first pick cause they have no brain LUL
But in theory carry is just position 1, so people should react that way if you insta-select position 2 (midder), and yet they don't get pissed off as often as when you do pick carry... People are just strange and dumb !
Edit: my bad, switched numbers
I don't mid if other player wants to play carry mid or w/e he wants to play as long as they can play the role and win the game =]
the negative attitude towards core players in general is based on two things, as far as i see it:
1) most ppl prefer core roles, and someone else locking them means you are not going to play what u want.
2) most of the ones who prefer core positions, have that "team holds me back" mentality, that makes them want to get the positions with highest impact possible. no one likes delusional pricks.
I instapick carry every game in solo and give no shits even when im 1k below the average, ez mmr
fucking 7ks are shits half the time
Probably because 90% of people who do that are completely trash who solo farm 25 minutes, then die twice in 1 minute and then typing "gg, afk". That's why. Learn to play support.
^A lot of players are not playing support at all yet they are still successful and skillful players
Usually when some1 is typing "me farm" or "me mid" during the loading screen, he turns out to be a complete retard in the game
However, when some1 puts his icon on mid/safe lane, this person is usually doing better that loading-screen-chat guy
It's probably from previous experience of people doing that and how they ended up performing in the match. In my experience, whoever types something like that at the start is going to be terrible and blame their team the whole game. It's like a red flag marking a certain personality type. Every time they die they type "GG REPORT MY TEAM" in all chat. I sometimes try to support them, but keeping them alive seems an impossible task. Anytime something doesn't go their way, they type in all caps or yell in the mic, "I'm the fucking carry!" After feeding and raging all game, they say, "I can't carry this shit," and abandon.
If someone just selects a carry and marks the safe lane, I don't think anything about it. It's just when they type it at the loading screen.
I dont want play support because 3k carries dont want to gg push when we 5 man wipe our enemy which happens in 80% games. People throw when they are winning, carries think that they are so powerful and dives tier 4 tower for killing a dazzle instead of taking raxes and ends up kited to death by grave. They dont know how to appreciate supports. vengeful spirit trade his life they whole game to safe his carry and replied with "GG noob support! 0-14 feeding" when 9 of those death were for swapping his stupid carry. Core players blame hard when supports got a kill. Earth shaker used enchant totem to helps LC winning duels "GG support ks, end fast we fucken lost". Carries blame supports when they caught out of position and supp failed to save them "fuck support passive buckler!" When he actually died to magical damage.
cus everyone wants to play safe lane or mid so they get mad when you pick it, ez explanation.
No, it goes way deeper than other people wanting the same position. I'm sure that's a factor, but it's not the sole factor. I would even be so bold as to suggest it's not the primary factor, although I only have my own personal experience to make that presumption, so it may not be correct. Personally, I play probably 70%+ as support or offlane, so I don't care about that one bit. Even so, although I wouldn't complain in chat, I would definitely get that cringy feeling if I saw that typed.
I think more than anything it's an indication that the player saying that is one of those highly delusional players that think there's some kind of global conspiracy to keep them at a lower MMR "than they deserve." Someone types "Safe farm, carry" and my (admitably shallow) first impression is "severe Dunning-Kruger victim incapable of self improvement...that will probably lose me the game" Hell, even just throwing a simple "please" on there helps alleviate the sociopathic undertones tremendously.
Now, if a player typed, "I'm probably best at playing the carry. Is that cool with everyone?" I instead have a very positive view. First off, he's polite. Secondly, he's initiating communication with his team as well as asking for a response. Perhaps most importantly, he seems concerned for the well being of the team. Wow, this guy is oozing with positive qualities. My first impression of this fictional fellow is "Why can't I get more cool teammates like this?"
Now, am I right about the first example being a douche every time? No, not at all. I'm sure many players who do this sort of thing are fine, but don't tell me there's no trend at all there. If your teammates approval matters to you though, perhaps give them more than 3 words to base their prejudices on. Otherwise they're just gonna call it like they see it, right or wrong. If you don't like their judgements then give them a little something more to work with. Or maybe you do like it, in which case they're probably quite accurate in their assessments anyway.
Pretty sure it's because you do that on the load screen, I have never seen people do that cos it's obviously super bm, I call carry all the time but have never been flamed for it
I would say at low mmr its as easy as the fact that carries get the majority of the fame when they win (most of the time), and when they lose its easy to blame the support for wards or some other stupid excuse.
no one wants to play support... i felt this in dota...
they feel if they will pick support... they will not be rewarded...
they think... only carry can win games...
i hate when no support in team...
^that is how i became a support. The only thing that bothers me is that team wins mostly when i am carry
Its because thats not how getting a role works. Normally ppl wait till the heroselection becomes available. Then you place icon. Thats how its established. Someone typing before that just takes away the chance to get the role you wanted to play (maybe).
^why dota does not allow to search a game for a certain role? Say, I would like to play a support - so i click to find a game for supporting position?
^50% population of dota will delete the game because they queue for 24hours and doenst get any game
@kotato
mm forces you to be versatile, and ur ability to communicate with people and handle different heroes becomes part od your mm rating.
I still vote having a game mode where you can search by positions 1-5 isn't bad. You can even search games by selecting all positions as exceptable. It will just tell everyone who has what position at the start of the match.
So if you come in position 2, and pick omni. People will still expect you to go mid and get farm.
This shouldn't be added to ranked or anything. Being adaptable is a skill in Dota. But it would be nice as a normal match mode.
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I was just experimenting with human psychology in dota. This is basically what i did: At the start of every game, before even everyone loads, i typed to allied chat: "Safe farm, carry". Immediately, in like 99.99% of the time everyone is just starting to flame, saying that they won't support me, picking 2 junglers and so on. So i'm like not exactly sure why this happens, but i thought of some explanations:
1) People are greedy and they want to farm, and if you take it from them they just scream at you.
2) Players assume that playing carry is "easiest role" and when you say that you want to carry or that you play carry only they think you are noob and don't wanna commit supporting you.
3) There are probably a lot of "carry only" players, so when you take that role they can't really play the game, which causes frustation.
So do you guys have any more ideas of why exactly this happens?
Feel free to discuss.
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