General DiscussionMoM on Sven

cause people are lazy, they just want a button to get more dps

Or they go treads Bkb which I see a lot of

mom isnt good on sven anymore

was mom even good on sven?

Mom really isn't good anymore on MOST heroes.

MoM is a good way to get yourself killed

I thinking abt armlet as a potential mid game replacement to echo. Obviously situational, but when shud that be bought?

^ no

Don't replace armlet with echo, you replace helm with armlet if you want to join fights really early on instead of just afk farming.

mom is actually very situational ... its good on late game riki if u doesnt get so fat , after diffusal and blink + abys... if game go even its hard for u to go luxury item so 1.9k for mom and keep bb is good, i tried ... ez solo kill some rat hero like ember/tinker

Mask of madness has always sucked on sven, they rush in and get 2 shot by linas and lions, I'm glad it's finally dead.

Armlet you would just build with echo and dominator and go kill kids at ~20 mins with those three items. With level 1 ult and armlet on sven gets 90 dmg from that one item. It's pretty sick.

I seriously doesn't see any fucking reason to don't rush helm of dominator in sub 4k brackets. Stacks are rarely contested like 1/5 games. 1k free gold every 4 minutes,so its 3k bonus gold at 20 minutes mark when most of carries just finished battle fury and started farming something else, sven can run with Treads, HoD, Sabre and Blink + lvl 3 ultimate and 1 or 2k gold in bank.

definitely, I would never skip hotd on sven either. Armlet is just so you can sort of do the dmg of Daedalus without finishing Daedalus.

Actually just plugged it into calculator, armlet active with ult is only 100 dps less than daedulus, and armlet + crystalis is more than just daedulus. Level 16, rest of build is treads, echo, hotd.

Ult active for all, armlet = 792 dps
Daedulus = 894 dps
Crystalys + armlet = 962 dps

http://devilesk.com/dota2/apps/hero-calculator/?id=LnO0mLhM8PryEyBP

And crystalys + armlet is 1080g less. Of course that all hinges on ult being up. Without ult they're almost the same. Really goes to show how amazing armlet is on strength heroes though.

Yeah but you doesn't count the cost of space inventory, if u buy armlet and other mandatory items you will either not have place for bkb or TP scroll.

Because people are dumb and follow the volvo's cancer builds
MoM BF faceless void
Aghanim juggernaut
Aghanim lich
BF bounty
I usually instamute these kind of fuckers when they persist on the build they think is "good"

Sven is slot starving anyway so its mostly the Deadalus or Mkb dillema.

I seriously doesn't see any fucking reason to don't rush helm of dominator in sub 4k brackets.

The issue with helm+armlet+sabre is your slots fill too fast. You are going to get dagger next and you are already 5 slotted, if you get another item you won't have a slot for tp scroll at 25 minutes into the game which is fairly ridiculous. Usually the followup after dagger is bkb and at this point you are already replacing your items because you are 6 slotted.

Yea I'm not saying it's always good but people underestimate armlet dps. It can be good if you can end game around 30 mins it can be very effective.