General DiscussionCountering Mister King

he can transform into a courrier ( and other things too ... ) and go to the enemy base without getting touched by the towers or fountain ,
easy gem recovery.

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You more or less came to the same conclusion everyone else has come to.
He is easily countered by stun, silence and if you tango, cut or quell a tree, you basically hit him with almost a max mirana arrow

If think Linkens would be standard build since he is made of paper and would certainly help with point-disables like orchid, hex, scythe or svens hammer.

Blink/crush tho and he's dead
Land arrow: dead
Brood kites him thru the trees and gets off an orchid/bloodthorn: dead
Tango or quell his tree with another hero around: dead

Go tank and blademail: dead
Blink/duel: dead

He's probably countered by 2/3 of the heros in the pool without too big of an adjustment from their normal item build

Ground targetted damaging spells breaks his disguise, right?
His counters (not exactly direct counters but whatever)
Treebreakers
Nukers (he's squishy)
Long ass disables
Global damaging spells
Flying vision
DoT items or spells (he's not cancer if he doesn't dangle around the trees in the first place)

he can transform into a courrier ( and other things too ... ) and go to the enemy base without getting touched by the towers or fountain ,
easy gem recovery.

Not a big deal honestly, and couriers are not revealed much, so it will be pretty obvious when it happens to be MK.

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Noted.

You more or less came to the same conclusion everyone else has come to.
He is easily countered by stun, silence and if you tango, cut or quell a tree, you basically hit him with almost a max mirana arrow
If think Linkens would be standard build since he is made of paper and would certainly help with point-disables like orchid, hex, scythe or svens hammer.
Blink/crush tho and he's dead
Land arrow: dead
Brood kites him thru the trees and gets off an orchid/bloodthorn: dead
Tango or quell his tree with another hero around: dead
Go tank and blademail: dead
Blink/duel: dead
He's probably countered by 2/3 of the heros in the pool without too big of an adjustment from their normal item build

I figured. I guess people just like to complain about how broken he is and do not adapt.

What about Phoenix's talents? What are they? I am honestly super excited to play Dota since everything is so new. In ranked, I hope I do not get MK-picker in my team since the global win rate is low.

Ground targetted damaging spells breaks his disguise, right?
His counters (not exactly direct counters but whatever)
Treebreakers
Nukers (he's squishy)
Long ass disables
Global damaging spells
Flying vision
DoT items or spells (he's not cancer if he doesn't dangle around the trees in the first place)

He has some pretty direct counters. I play a lot of Phoenix now and he works wonders. I want to do more Beastmaster, but I am not the best BM, his axes seem to be a nice tool.

global winrate means nothing

especially for new heroes

global winrate means nothing
especially for new heroes

I know that, but it can help with judgement calls.

I trust my team 100% before the game starts, unless someone picks pa/am. But now I have no clue since the game is practically brand new...ish.

you will get or face an MK in your team in about 99 of your next 100 games

^ That bad, huh?

Aoe dmg kills him.

^ Just what my feathers-on-fire friend does

TA also wrecks him. Her refraction completely counters his crit and bonus damage and her traps give vision.

No mk actually as more range than ta lvl 1 lol. She isnt bad, but she can be played around, especially cuz his ulti breaks refraction easily.

TA gives MK free jingo charges for him to regen off from creeps because her range is so low and hitting spill damage on melee heroes is harder

global winrate means nothing
especially for new heroes

good old days of Arc Warden introduction where he had about 35% winrate and was at his most broken

hes easily to counter as what above said, ppl just still hasnt realize his 3rd is almost the same as ursa swipes. some tips if u didnt have tree breaker heroes, quel might help since u can saw him if he jump from tree to tree and cut it before the jump off cd, but good mk will use his 2nd asap

now arc is shit RIP

the hero is insanely op, enjoy him while it lasts :^)

I countered him a few times in the laning stage by stunning him forever by a 200 gold item

that being said it is insanely fun to stun your own MK by cutting a tree he's standing on

ez reports maybe but still so fun

Win rate gives u an idea how strong the hero is at that point in time given current understanding. Ppl still haven't figured out how to deal with it. Doesn't mean it's broken.

Broken hero with shit win rate. Because ppl haven't figured out how to play him optimally. Also consider the changes to other heroes affects whether a hero is strong or weak, and not whether he was nerfed or not. Consider how after nerFS, OD went from toilet hero to OP once again because of what happened to other heroes.

Just give it time

the hero's insanely OP whatever you might think about him, he is completly out of balance with other heroes, especially in the early game, he can still massacre people with zero items, valve made him OP on purpose instead of having him in a weird place

after all, it's easier to balance shit if you know it is OP beforehand, so you can proceed with nerfs, if you make it so the hero is so-so it's hard to balance because it's hard to figure out whether you need to buff or nerf him, right now it's obvious he's going to be hit by a nerf stick on every single one of his abilities

Mk gets fisted by batrider, firefly into blink on him to stun for 4 seconds, the whole time building napalm and standing in fire, then ulti for like 8 ish seconds of disable. Gee gee.