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General DiscussionWhy does refresh cost so much mana?

Why does refresh cost so much mana? in General Discussion
Riguma Borusu

    Aside from the fact that the item provides poor stats for the price, the active's mana cost makes it pretty prohibitive, not to mention it requires you to build a mana pool on many heroes to actually use it, and there are a lot of heroes and builds that just have none. Would it still be balanced if it had a really low mana cost, making it possible to use without carrying around random full wands, energy boosters and similar items just to be able to use it? What heroes would benefit from it having a low mana cost the most?

    Also worth mentioning that its mana cost has not changed since all heroes had lost +20 stats across the board, and not all heroes have int/mana talents.

    dioxgamingpro

      caz other heroes have spells that are annoying to stop.

      >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

        Imagine a Silencer, Enigma and Magnus on the enemy team with refreshers.

        Now you understand a little better.

        Riguma Borusu

          Enigma builds can naturally fit in arcanes/greaves/aghs/shivas/whatever int item into the build, silencer mostly always has a huge mana pool, so the one this question would most relate to is magnus. But if you put 5200 gold into it, isn't it kinda fair to be able to actually use it without depending on extending your mana pool first?

          dioxgamingpro

            wat face

            enigma doesn't need more mana he already has 1500 mana lvl 15.

            Riguma Borusu

              1500 is surely a weird way to type 812

              also can you please stop commenting, you're wasting a few bytes of space every time you do that, and they could be used for something useful, like this

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              dioxgamingpro

                is that english?

                Shou

                  because of exactly what u said, refresher costs a lot of mana to restrict heroes from using it.
                  imagine tiny with refresher, and avalanche bonus dmg, maybe even eblade, just blink eblade ava toss refresh eblade ava toss.
                  wtf.

                  dioxgamingpro

                    she's probably lvl 15 enigma with no items that's why he thinks its 800 mana.

                    Riguma Borusu

                      Are you actually retarded or you are just pretending to be? Enigma without any int or mana items has 812 mana total at level 15. That's what I said, I have no fucking idea whose ass you're pulling the 1500 figure from. The whole point of this question is what to do with heroes that don't build a mana pool at all.

                      And no, great question, that's most certainly NOT English, but it's junk that is still better than the shit you are spewing in every fucking comment.

                      "imagine tiny with refresher, and avalanche bonus dmg, maybe even eblade, just blink eblade ava toss refresh eblade ava toss. "

                      Or you could use this bunch of gold to build proper tiny and do 1231231231x more things instead of this cheesy meme.

                      And I don't think it's to restrict heroes from using it, because you could literally compensate for this by holding an energy booster in your inventory most of the time. It is just kind of dumb. Heroes are already restricted from double ulting/using all their spells twice by their poor mana pools most of the time.

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                      Cheap Laugh Guy

                        You can always Arcane boots

                        Riguma Borusu

                          "You can always Arcane boots"

                          Yes, but this is the exact issue I am talking about. This means if you're a carry that doesn't build int or arcane boots, you are basically banned from a refresher orb if you don't have a mana pool to use all your spells twice PLUS the refresh. The thing is, heroes with poor mana pools also mostly have low cost spells (well, baring crystal maiden), so if refresh cost about 100 mana, they could double ult once they have got some levels. But since it is over 300 mana, it erases most of their remaining mana pool after they use their stuff once.

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                          dioxgamingpro

                            RPQ-sama
                            8 minutes ago

                            Are you actually retarded or you are just pretending to be? Enigma without any int or mana items has 812 mana total at level 15. That's what I said, I have no fucking idea whose ass you're pulling the 1500 figure from. The whole point of this question is what to do with heroes that don't build a mana pool at all.

                            And no, great question, that's most certainly NOT English, but it's junk that is still better than the shit you are spewing in every fucking comment.

                            "imagine tiny with refresher, and avalanche bonus dmg, maybe even eblade, just blink eblade ava toss refresh eblade ava toss. "

                            Or you could use this bunch of gold to build proper tiny and do 1231231231x more things instead of this cheesy meme.

                            And I don't think it's to restrict heroes from using it, because you could literally compensate for this by holding an energy booster in your inventory most of the time. It is just kind of dumb. Heroes are already restricted from double ulting/using all their spells twice by their poor mana pools most of the time.

                            ---

                            can't handle criticism.

                            Riguma Borusu

                              "can't handle criticism."

                              I am more sorry that you can't handle brain damage. I mean, I feel really bad about your fri--- about your family.

                              dioxgamingpro

                                I'm sorry that you suck at using Refresher Orb.