General Discussionhelp me to improve my sven pls

there r some games where MoM first is better, namely when ur forced to jungle cuz lane too hard
otherwise remember that pms is better in a hard lane, mango better in an easy lane
hit creeps
i mean sven isnt too complicated
there is a way to guarentee lh under tower with cleave if ur support is pulling, look it up in a d2bowie vid, i think it was artour doing it

Don't listen to anyone telling you anything about any specific hero in forums, it's a time waste.

Opedota/Dotabuff rankings -> then find the guy, who spams Sven and has a high winrate w/him in SOLO QUEUE RANKED MM LOBBIES and has at least 5k MMR.

Watch the replays, analyse them and draw personal conclusions.

Or find a streamer, who does it on Sven and ask him direct questions, about what and why he does.

Refer only to high-rated spammers for advice on specific heroes.
Just my opinion.

I've seen some higher MMR players hold on to points, so they dont level cleave and therefore push their wave too hard (unless you have supports who are constantly pulling and stacking).

Thats the only tip I have for him.

thanks.
more tips gyus, pls
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You can farm very fast. Use that to your advantage

use warcry before mom

Don't feed mid and break your items.

Thanks for d.bowie sven guides. cool things

One step ahead got it covered

Don't afk farm and feed 1v4 like fx

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3342311374
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3346379203
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3340435745
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3336570317
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3334840059
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3330175256
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3344737404
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3344330845
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3313694049

also u can just go to https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/sven/guides and download the matches by id

Stop picking him into heroes with decent slows or long range carries.

Fu k this hero

1. Where can i find good sven player and watch his replays? (od rankings, db rankings? what better?)

opendota has way better rankings

2. What i am doing wrong/right?
My common sven build:
I try to fast get maxed cleave, then max warcry.
Always my first items is pt, mom.
If game is hard and my team losing i try to get fast blink, else i go SaY and later blink
ofc bkb if enemy's team have good control

ye, your build is completely fine, it's not your build, it's your gameplay.

you have to think beyond items, most low mmr players cant think of anything except items/skills so tehy associate every loss with items, skills, lanes, teammates.

without trying to think about strategy, you have to fix your strategy.

Can u offer some strategy issues about i need to think more?

isnt sven the most basic hero ever? First boots, then MoM, then Sabre then blink and then bkb and then you can start throwing the game because you are low skilled noob anyway :D

1. press e
2. press r
3. press q
4. use mask
5. right click
6. win

^rofl?

who starts with e

your seven

Common mistakes:

1. Not getting BKB in time, or at all.

This one's pretty straight forward. You won't get to farm for 30 mins every single game. Sometimes you get 10 mins and that's all you have before enemy team is ready for your HG. You won't even have time for a dagger, let alone MoM and ES.

And late game something as simple as Spectre's dispersion or Blookseeker's silence can ruin you without BKB.

2. Too much farm and not knowing when to TP.

Carry a TP, always. You're free-farming and you see a 4v5 fight near your shrine. Pop a tp towards the end of the fight and clean-up. TP only if you know you're going to come out with kills and xp. Don't tp if you're going to kill a enemy supp and then die to the enemy carry.

Knowing when to TP comes with experience (which you can gain over time) and quick thinking (which you either have or you don't).

3. Not focusing the right heroes in team fights.

This kind of fits all carries, but you need to focus the right heroes in team fights. When you're Sven, you get blink for a reason - to position yourself better. If you blink in to initiate on a enemy supp, odds are you'll kill the supp but get focused down hard by the enemy carry. There's nothing more frustrating than a Sniper pew-pewing away from 800 range while you're at 500 HP backing out.

Don't be in plain sight in fights. Let your team initiate. Blink onto the enemy carry. Go for the support only if it's critical (like dazzle).

4. Avoiding silly mistakes or common fails. Here are a few:

a. Using MoM before casting warcry (or worse, before stunning). MoM should be the last cast.
b. Do yourself a favor, and don't skip QB. Spend your energy and focus on watching the map instead.
c. Not using GS when roshing thinking you can save your ult for an actual fight. You can solo Rosh with GS, MoM, and Crystalis.

Finally, you won't win every game even with perfect play. You'll need to accept that.

Oh and I max Q with Sven. Sue me.

why do you max q

The damage progression is 100-175-250-325. Cooldown and manacosts are the same.

So the difference between lvl 1 and lvl 4 stun is 225 dmg. It's AOE.

Warcry gives you 5-10-15-20 armor bonus. The movespeed is the same at every level.

The reason I max Q is because early game 225 damage can be huge (specially since it's AOE and most heroes are around 1K hp).

Warcry is great (pretty much take half dmg for 8 seconds, and it's AOE too), but it's a defensive buff, and my play-style is aggressive.

i can't help you with strategy

your only way to learn that is to analyse replays of high memer players

Ignore Stenorian he pulled out a bunch of shit from his ass.

Just analyze RTZ's Sven game plays.

If u max q u hinder ur farming so much, who TF cares abt 225 more dmg when u can barely cast it twice?
If u have more cleave points u can rice jungle hard, by then I'll need warcry cuz the scaling of the stun is just horrible.
Warcry gives 20 armor, that's huge.

Start boots get blight and Oov max stun then e no levels in w buy medallion blademail aghs and force and blink and play your very own magnus with forcing enemies into each other to get 5 man storm hammers 10/10 not sing sing build

^rofl?
who starts with e

does it really matter?

YES. of course it does

I max Storm Bolt too ever since shrine is introduced and raindrops.

At lvl 7, I usually go 4/1/1/1. Lvl2 cleave is more than enough. Max cry/god strength and talents then go cleave.

Remember to learn threads switching when playing as Sven since he has a low mana pool.

And also, end the game asap. Sven farm pretty fast but in late game, he can get screwed by some agi heroes. My recent 2 defeats games as Sven are 1hr+, but a 13 games win streak before that.

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/123260807/matches?hero=sven

Maxing stun first is so awful, it's your only ability that doesn't help you farm ancients and Sven has terrible kill potential early game.

yep copying arteezy when it comes to carry heroes is the safest when it comes to watching replays.

Best way to learn DotA
1.dont listen low MMR player (not less than 5k; recommend more than 5.5 bcoz 5k is still low mmr)
2.watch good pros replay
3. Try to understand(learn) what are they thinking every single second
4.the item it is really depend on every game u can't follow you're favorite pro item. U "must" understand every single item well