I remember back in 6.81 hailrake used to wreck 7k(VERY high for that time)with radiance mjoll bm wk. I doubt you can be that greedy anymore though, an armlet letting you fight at 10 mins is better most of the time
@cuki not really, i help gank by stun and reincar since this is 2k.
@chun yeah but its so hard to farm another item without radi, except ganking with teammates
you either go mjöllnir or radiance for waveclear/farming
still 0 reason to go jungle or get radiance first item
I feel like if u went a different item first that helps farm u would get radiance same time anyway.... like if u get a 20 minute bf worst item scario.... ur gona get radiance at like 30-35....which is what I assume ur time is if u go jungle wk with no farming items
You can still get Radiance after Armlet. I actually think you might just get a faster Radiance with armlet anyway.
Radiance is shit item for such her, f.e i see wk much stronger with echo sabre/armlet than radiance
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jungle wk is awful but since you were under 2k its fine, people miss cs in lane so jungle is pretty much just as fast and no one ever ganks you.
WK is a worse Sven this patch.
his current standard build is like identical to sven's current standard build
so yeah
midas radiance if free farming and you're the only hc
armlet treads blink echosab bkb abyssal if pos 2 is a dragonknight or something like that
How TF is wk build like Sven?
Wk is similar, but not the same.
The thing with wk is he doesn't need as much farm as sven to be relevant.
Rad is acceptable but u usually don't want it first
Road, are you serious? Sven just needs Mask to start doing work.
^no
Sven with MoM is still easily kited and can't initiate, with only MoM he is a fast farmer but idk what ur talking abt
Wk with just armlet can start team fighting
This is why you are 1.7k trash. WK alone gets kited hard outside of his 4 second stun + slow window. Sven with E and MoM alone has 435 ms. With SnY, he goes to 485 ms. With stun, he has a 10 second window.
radiance octarine is dead imo im so happy when a wk rushes radi on pubs that means autowin
in your case since you are low mmr, radi is good but still u could do alot more with some 1300crits baptism wk build
Dude no one threw sny in there, and wk doesn't require gs to deal his dmg, as sven with MoM u can only fight with gs up
God Strength has an 80 sec cooldown. I can argue the same for WK. He is significantly weaker without his ultimate.
It's easy to get mmr with wk in 1k bracket since people don't care to counter pick properly and gank him while he is in jungle, so...
@anomalina
Ya ya i get it, im talking about the radiance part, not the afk jungle part smh.
And people like "ewhh u afk jungle til 20 min, jungle is dead"
I didnt play jungle wk anymore. Its suck dick after early jungle nerfed.
I have seen few WKs afk jungle radiance and usually it ended up awful. It takes around 15-20 minutes to get 6k gold (including 1350 for PT), so probably around that timing to get radiance. By that time, the game can be already lost, as the enemy can take by that time all your T1s and even 1-2 T2s, if they have heroes like Pugna, Drow, DP, Lesh etc. To be able to hold up this, you need heroes who can soak up pressure or create it. With heroes like Slark/AM safe lane, you will likely lose.
I like much more, when we had WK with PT (1350), dagger (2250), armlet (2400) (or SaY maybe? - 3900) - together around 6k gold worth. Less than WK with PT and radiance, but online 5-10 minutes earlier, able to iniciate, gang, create mess in enemy lines.
After it, radiance makes sense - even though I would prefer either SaY for movement speed or BKB against disables.
Don't jungle on Wraith King.
That doesn't mean I don't do it, but it's still a bad idea.
Maybe ironically, Sven and WK are my too most commonly played hereos, and you pick them in completely different situations. They counter each other's counters, a bit. Sven is mauled by blademail spam (BS, pudge n stuff) whereas wk fights into that well. WK obviously sucks vs diffusal blade but really just illusions in general, and sven obviously shines against those lineups.
I'm a shit player, but even I can tell you that if your Wraith King is a discount sven, you're not being aggressive, nor are you really taking advantage of Wraith King's ultimate and also a 30% lifesteal aura.
Radiance works okay but you're usually better off getting armlet, blink, and then really anything (Everyone seems to have their own build. I like MoM, some like Echo, BM, Cuirass, Mjoll, whatever. The first 2 are needed) and then shoving it down the other team's throat.
WK certainly does not lane like ass. High base damage, built in lifesteal, stun that's on an 8 second cooldown. Get a mango, abuse it.
I'm quite the MMR scrub, but WK was my main hero out of 600 MMR trenches. Honestly? Get whatever the fuck you want on him. Just don't play him like a farmer. Get on their asses.
2k scrub here. I like the radiance build. Only if the rest of your team can fight for 15-20min without you. To get it in that timing window I start in lane with a 1-1-3 skill build, as the crit speeds up your farm in jungle, then move to jungle when enemy applies pressure or I take the tower.
The reason for radiance is that Wraith King is naturally hanky because of his ult, so once you have radiance, brown boots, you can immediately fight. Unlike a Spectre or a Naga, who want at least 1 more item unless you get radiance at a ridiculously early timing. WK is also countered by kiting him, but with radiance, they're still taking burn damage. The general idea is to be in the middle of every fight, spreading radiance burn and tanking stuff, stabbing people in the face when you can get your hands on them.
WK and Sven function completely differently. Sven has a window in which he has to win a fight, and then retreat (if possible). Twenty seconds might seem a lot at lower MMRs, but in a real high MMR game where fights last for way longer than 20 seconds, you have to prioritize bursting people down waaaay more.
WK is a hero that LOVES having his ult ready if needed, but he does not fully depend on it, which is a huge difference between WK and Sven.
Sven vs WK
AoE stun - Single target stun
AoE damage - Single target damage
Builds to burst - Builds to burst OR manfight, or both
No natural sustain - Natural sustain
Active steroid - Passive steroid
Cooldown reliant - Kind of non-cooldown reliant
Destroyed by halberd - Inconvenienced by halberd
Shit aegis carrier - Great aegis carrier
Both countered by heavy kiting
Both countered by diffusal
Both build mobility
Anyway, radience WK is good, just not every game and in every situation.
Something I've noticed is that the radiance doesn't need to be super early in. If you check WK guides here on dotabuff, plenty get radiance at 25-30 minutes in and still carry their games. Radiance doesn't need to be rushed, Armlet-Blink-Radiance is doable.
Fu.cking trash,you need at least some stats item first,wk also could need mobility item,you can get radiance as second or third big item
Yeap, i just not used to get armlet first. If i go armlet first i usually build echo sabre, deso, silver edge, etc..
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I climbed from 1.8k to 2.3k by afk jungle till radiance and insta win.
Is it still viable in this patch ?
Not the jungle part, i mean radiance as first item.