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General DiscussionThis is how the new ranking system would work

This is how the new ranking system would work in General Discussion
Stentorian

    Below is my understanding of the new MMR system, based on the short paragraphs in the 7.07 patch notes.

    1. Instead of MMR (1k, 2k,....10k brackets), we'd have seven medals, each with five stars. So I'm guessing a certain number of net wins would be needed to take you from, say 5 medal 4 star to 5 medal 5 stars, and then to 6 medal 1 star.

    2. "At the start of each season all players will recalibrate MMR, seeded by their previous season’s MMR. Your current historical preseason MMR value will be recorded and selectable in your profile, and ranked players will continue to be able to track their current seasonal MMR value"

    This means that at the beginning of every season, there would be a calibration period similar to the current system. One difference is that right now calibration usually starts with a normal game, and slowly moves to HS and then VHS as you keep overperforming in the calibration games. In the new system, a 4K MMR player would play calibration games with other 4K players, while 1K players would calibrate with other 1K players.

    The net result is that unless your skill level has greatly changed, your calibrating games are still in your current bracket, so you have a very high chance of calibrating in that bracket again. The only people who would recalibrate are those who haven't played in a while and are rusty, and would move to a lower bracket. So I can see game quality improving a little bit.

    3. The slow grind to high MMR is going to be slightly harder

    There are lots of players who have a 50.5% win rate in ranked games, have 5000+ games, and are 6k MMR.

    The new system doesn't totally eliminate the ability to keep climbing MMR.

    Let's say you're a 2K player now. In the new season, you calibrate at 2K. Over the next six months, you gain 200 MMR. Now you're a 2.2k MMR player. At the end of the season, your medal is something like 2 medals 4 stars.

    Next season you recalibrate. You calibrate at 2.2K. Over the next six months, you gain 300 MMR. Now you're a 2.5K MMR player. At the end of the season, your medal is 2 medals 5 stars.

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    My take on this- I don't think a lot changes here. You can still climb MMR cumulatively over time (and have something to show for your efforts), which is good. People will just need to get used to referring to medals and stars instead of MMR. You'd play an additional 10 games a season to recalibrate. But to be honest unless you've gotten completely garbage, calibration isn't really an issue.

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    Väinämöinen

      unless you're a support player, in that case the calibration always tales the 300mmr you grinded away from yoi because you didnt have 500 gpm and 4.00 KDA and only 12k hero damage

      Story Time

        ^kda for supports is different than for carries

        Stentorian

          There's a rating for each role - supports could have 0 hero damage but get 10/10 because of warding/dewarding, units healed, etc.

          But yea I see your point. There's no transparency with how calibration works. So for those 10 games I can totally see people picking Zeus or playing for themselves, leading to a shitfest.

          white boy summer

            guys complaining about this shit like it came from lol while valve's other game has a similar ranked system lul

            also it's more SC2 than anything else. blaming IF for stealing from blizzard? kinda ironic

            CMNT

              @Story time,
              Supporting guys at lower mmr like I do is tough. Getting good KDA is like a pipe dream unless you are a player who just cast spell and run and don't save allies just to get back and don't die.

              Zeusfestival yeah

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              Any

                Well might as well call dota as the Poor man's league of legends

                Krenka

                  Pick jakiro
                  ????
                  Win

                  Easy lane dominator, lots of hero damage usually, great at pushing and will thusly get some building dmg done. Pair that with the other support factors and even get a mekansm, then you're set. At least on paper...

                  CMNT

                    @Master Bait
                    Play Dazzle, Dazzle 7.07 is better than before.
                    Hero Healing stats could get a boost in calibrating and stuff.

                    Mulyono

                      Idk, dude. I just want to gtfo from 1k

                      Born to be alone

                        how about the player that still not yet unlocked their ranked match but at VHS bracket in dotabuff. Its they still can re-calibrating at an avg 4k games? Or will calibrated at 3500 MMR like before that valve has lowered the MMR system? Please reply as fast as possible. Thank in advance......

                        Born to be alone

                          Additional comments. what do you guys think on how much MMR i will calibrating at this new ranked system???? Max 3.5K or above???

                          ROYQT

                            Which leads to

                            "SMURFS ARE BACK!"

                            grandzaddy

                              recalibration pls

                              ︻デ۞ĐǝƇℯǝ℘ƤȶįợƝ 一

                                If my current mmr now is 2k is there any chance that mean I can get Gold medal?by any means?

                                ︻デ۞ĐǝƇℯǝ℘ƤȶįợƝ 一

                                  Or all players will start from bronze?

                                  ♡ĶÊ'¡ĂnŃÊ♡

                                    I hope im always 5k.

                                    DaYDrEaMeR

                                      This calibration shit will affect only 4.5-5k+ players, all the shit players from 0-3k mmr are hopping they will eventually get higher mmr for free "cuz they are pro".

                                      зачем я начал поиск

                                        This whole thread is made of dogshit speculations and assumptions.
                                        15 Nov. is not that far away.

                                        Potato Marshal

                                          Pls gib back 5k Valve/IceFrog or whoever is in charge of new matchmaking.

                                          despair

                                            Its not going to be numbers, the rmm would be similar to LoL

                                            зачем я начал поиск

                                              Wingless division best division

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                                              Potato Marshal

                                                Pls gib 5k equivalent division, Valve/IceFrog or whoever is in charge of new matchmaking. I suk ur dik if u do

                                                Väinämöinen

                                                  stop violently raping support players with calibration, thx gaben.

                                                  calibration 10 core matches incoming.

                                                  inba im gonna pick supp win all games but still drop 500mmr because i didnt hit creeps all game long

                                                  megs

                                                    Calibration is pretty inaccurate and shouldn't have much of an effect.

                                                    Only wins matter in Dota, not stats. I've seen players like VP.Solo with literally the worst stats and they still manage to do what is required to win the game.

                                                    I'd imagine the medals are just a visual representation of your mmr and should make newer players happier.

                                                    potemy

                                                      Its not going to be numbers, the rmm would be similar to LoL

                                                      How sure are you about this? My understanding from the patch notes was that the numbers would remain but there would be medals to show your rank on your profile as well, since the patch notes still mention recalibrating MMR every 6 months.

                                                      "Your current historical preseason MMR value will be recorded and selectable in your profile, and ranked players will continue to be able to track their current seasonal MMR value."

                                                      ^ This bit from the patch notes I understand as meaning we can select our calibration MMR every season to display in our profiles, and continue to track it in our profiles.

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                                                      你气不气?

                                                        when this update comes guys?

                                                        Grimm

                                                          It may come around the 15th

                                                          mid/carry

                                                            excuses excuses watch me hit 6k for 1-2 months on this acc from 3500. git gud

                                                            LD.KukuPudgeKing.dk

                                                              great valve your so great at breaking an awesome game.. now we cant even play rank as our team it just turns the shit into party insted .. great job.. how about you get your ass away from LOL and make DOTA GREAT AGAIN! FUCK THE MONEY!

                                                              LD.KukuPudgeKing.dk

                                                                there is a fucking reason why we play DOTA and not LOL! cause LOL is for gays so dont fucking turn DOTA into LOL got it volvo!?

                                                                Friendly player

                                                                  Explain how giving a chance for players to recalibrate is breaking the game?

                                                                  MuLLi

                                                                    Why all speaks about mmr and medals like it is relevant for good experience. In my opinion problem is bad behavior of players which ruins dota experience. I have lately played games where I have two players in my team which I have reported or muted previously why matchmaking cant take it in consideration and let me play without those assholes. Assholes could play together and all have fun :)

                                                                    Optimus Drip

                                                                      This ranked update has the potential to be the greatest thing that happened to dota since techies was realeased

                                                                      nigga

                                                                        how are they gonna adjust the leaderboard requirements tho

                                                                        One

                                                                          Everyone was happy when a year ago they made recalibration available as battle pass feature. Now people are mad. Recalibration doesnt have any flaws, as you get mmr u deserve.

                                                                          HOTMAN PARUNG

                                                                            thank god i got my 10k mmr in the leaderboards before this happened.. Kappa

                                                                            TheMaverick427

                                                                              Hopefully this will reduce the amount of smurfs/account buyers. I know it wont get rid of them completely, but it should reduce the incentive for making new accounts. I predict botting abuse to potentially get worse though as people will try fool the calibration system every season.

                                                                              1.

                                                                                Fck valve too many updates. Too many changes.

                                                                                casual gamer

                                                                                  I wanna rapier guys that’s what matters R A P I E R

                                                                                  Jacked

                                                                                    why is blue the colour for the highest tier?

                                                                                    Xignum

                                                                                      because we have blue stars?

                                                                                      κάππα [Loy]

                                                                                        Let's say you're a 2K player now. In the new season, you calibrate at 2K. Over the next six months, you gain 200 MMR. Now you're a 2.2k MMR player. At the end of the season, your medal is something like 2 medals 4 stars.

                                                                                        This is right except missed out one point. When u calibrate at 2k, u will spend ten games re-calibrartion and u will get a new MMR. Then u start to gain MMR. After u calibrate from say 2K, if u become really suck, u may end up in 1k even only 10 games calibrartion games played. Then after that each game is +/-25mmr. That should be fair. So if u have like 6Kmmr and don play dota for like 1yr, your mmr will have to be re-calibrated and if u suc, u will prob drop to 2k. Rather than losing every game and dropping 25mmr each game, the re-calibration will prob drop u to 2k in 10 games becos u deproved a lot.

                                                                                        false ranker

                                                                                          nah they will reset everything back to normal

                                                                                          FTF®

                                                                                            Is today the day of major changes?

                                                                                            Stentorian

                                                                                              no announcement yet. for all we know they had cold feet and scrapped the whole idea.

                                                                                              Corde

                                                                                                you know this is wrong right? mmr is still there the medals are end of season indicators of the highest mmr you reached

                                                                                                κάππα [Loy]

                                                                                                  Medal shows the highest level ranked and unranked

                                                                                                  gggg

                                                                                                    What of you don't want to recalibrate your Mmr ? Like I'm good to my MMR now is there a option just like in last ti that you have an option whether you switch your current mmr to the seasonal MMR?

                                                                                                    久正补身胶囊

                                                                                                      But would it become more or less toxic when both ranked and unranked affect your medal. Many people have a mindset that "I can do whatever I want because it's just a NORMAL GAME". only salvation might be Turbo mode now lol

                                                                                                      One

                                                                                                        The point is to show how good you are through number. So calibration only makes your mmr more objective. This will help players who dont deserve their mmr to fall, and the opposite.