General Discussion7.07b Update Discussion

That AM nerf is a godsend

AM nerfed and TB untouched.

^_^

Am nerf needed
Ta buff seems dumb

Praise the swashbuckle change thank God
Nerfs correct
Buffs not imo
The tiny buffs seem irrelvant and won't make him better
The morphling talent buffs r good but adaptive strike changes r unneeded
Also ty for bane nerf
Overall I r8 SeemsGood/10

Tiny still sucks, Morphling still sucks

Wow, new hero gets buffed

Tiny still no agi LUL

AM now needs to build HP items faster AND put more points in spell shield SeemsGood.

am nerf - good, 57%+ winrate for a hero like that is abnormal
beastmaster - for the first time ever bm has positive winrate, better nerf it; i do not approve
tiny - still garbage with 0 agi
morphling - 36% winrate dumpster-dweller with no place in this game
templar assassin buffs were not needed

GET FUCKED AM PLAYERS

willow nerfs seem reasonable and pangolier buffs are concerning for me

Wtf I barely milked a 50% wr out of AM and he's already nerfed?

actually morph shotgun has been buffed significantly ! the multiplier from 2.0 to 2.5 on max almost finishes any support with eblade + adaptive strike alone and he now can start with a better damage thanks to attribute shift with not a totally shit hp.

id rather have ams illusion talent outright removed, but its better than nothing

1.2s cast point on pangos ulti is mega broken

Eh. Why did Mirana get a nerf? She is a popular pick for sure, but nowhere a strong or particularly annoying hero.

thank god nobody plays visage in my bracket

can someone explain to me how the AM nerf is significant? His mean weakness is burst physical dmg during lockdown, not nukes, even in the mid game, as he will have a few points in spell shield. Later on as well, I would imagine reducing his str gain doesn't affect him so much due to spell shield?

They reduced BF dmg and moved the annoying illu talent up to lvl 20 too so summing it up it's quite a big nerf

^I think 15 agility at lvl 15 is better. I'd actually prefer it to blink illusion, getting it at lvl 20 instead. That's fine. 5 dmg reduced on bf? HAHA.

Only the str gain nerf coupled with lower spell shield might be worth talking about, but even that only slightly lowers his power in what he's already strong in; enduring magical nukes

So it's like they killed the lvl 20 talent for +10 all stats for a lvl 15 +15 agi
I think most would prefer -1s Blink CD over Agi btw

IDK about you but killing AM before he gets lvl 20 is a priority, so the illu he leaves behind burning your mana really discourage you to chase further. It also gives vision as he blinks from place to place, I can't tail behind him. It's quite the survival tool so moving it to lvl 20(When ganking AM isn't as important) limits it to only as a illusion factory.

AM no stats now what the fuck

Why on earth would you nerf Anti Mage ???!!!! GJ VALVE !!!

Now AM will be paper without heart, while the problem was too cheap BF not OP AM !

rip mirana just randomly having the highest agi growth

Sven barely touched xd

I dunno - in my Am games people just sit on me 24/7 everywhere I go while playing Sven or Spectre no one gives a shit about me freefarming. #fucklogic

Because of pre Dota league and road to majors,that is the result.Now they found out that it was needed to go a little.

AM nerf,I think this is just good and uncontrollable illusion now takes more damage.

Medusa seems not nerfed at all.She maybe nerfed but her talent tree is buffed :/

Sven,well I spam him good but a nerf is probably just right because his max ult and a lvl 25 40 STR bonus now only focuses on his tankyness like 60% tank and 40% dmg dealer I hope 7.07c will return his BAT and rescale his GS like 100%/140%/180%

i still don't understand why did they change bane this is so fucking stupid and he was a really good hero in 7.06 it's just that noone picked him for some reason

why would you take blink cd instead of the agi though?

After this patch so on and on Spec,Zeus and Necro will always have the high winrate

why would you take blink cd instead of the agi though?

Time to spam pango in boots,baby

was somewhat hoping for a small viper buff but maybe thats uneeded.

wr still isnt buffed yet sadbois

Am strength gain nerf was not needed...

Only managed to play 5 games on AM 7.07
Feelsbadman

Is the visage buff significant?

They overstepped it a bit with Beast.

Nerfing Axes manacost is alright, they were too cheap to spam, the axe talent nerf is fine too.

On the other hand, boar damage nerf is retarded.
It may seem like not much at all, but it's going to be noticeable in lane.

He is almost perfectly balanced right now, except that I would revert the boar nerf.

Valve should address Kunkka having +40 damage at level fucking 10 and that +50% Tidebringer cleave talents.

40 damage at level 10 is way too much for a hero, who relies on burst/cleave damage and that cleave buff at 25 makes him hit, as if he has a Divine, while he has none.

OK, I can kinda forget that lvl 25 cleave, because it's level 25, to hell with it. But that level 10 +40 damage is ridiculous.
DK has +35 damage at level 15, how is Kunkka having +40 at 10?

remove the talent but bring the old cleave back its impossible to cleave anybody who isnt standing right in front u

Only brood spammer can whine about kunkka as a core. Oh wait....

It is irrelevant here.
No core hero has free +40 damage on top of all other abilities at level 10, it is obviously not OK.
He could have it at level 15, but not level 10.

Imagine if Ember Spirit had "+40 damage".

It's Phase+Armlet and WHOOPS I HAVE 213 DAMAGE SUB 15 MINUTES INTO THE GAME, HELLO

With the return of the safelane spec gonna dominate again.. And ppl complain about an uncontrollable illu-_-

Kunkka doesn't hit much though, he relies on that Tidebringer for damage so he builds more on raw damage less on attack speed so it's really different from DK and Ember who constantly dish out damage on right-clicks.
Kunkka carry is unreliable. Played against some on Turbo Mode, one cleave on crit and it's an insta-kill but most of the time I still win when there's no postion for him to cleave. It's just so luck based.

Hey frog, bring back the old Earthshaker!

>Ember who constantly dish out damage on right-clicks.
Stopped reading right there.

necro used to have 40 dmg on lv10 btw :^)

nvm he still does

What retard go ilusion talent on am ??
I mean i watched high mmr pubs pros go that talenf and they clear waves and blink and ilu just stand there do nothing
It better made ilu spawn after blink

more like what retard doesnt go illusion talent on am

Kunkka roam is so much better than core one so that +40 dmg is irrelevant unless you are Attacker! himself. Valve just made him viable on mid again.

"Medusa seems not nerfed at all.She maybe nerfed but her talent tree is buffed :/"

The talents nobody takes, everyone takes dmg at 10 and attack speed at 15, those ones are picked like 80% of the time and for good reason, they have a huge win rate disparity. Actually all her talents are very polarized. So that buff is pretty much meaningless, though I might try the snake mana steal just for shits and giggles in turbo mode and see.

So they nerfed her, reducing split shot dmg and her hp. Not a huge nerf though, acceptable.

Tiny will still suck. Just give him ~2 base armor, ~10 agility and +1 per level.

I'm glad they're slightly buffing Morphling in aspects he's already good.
However, that doesn't really change the fact, that his completely useless (it is) ulti was NOT addressed. And you can't be surprised if a hero without an ultimate will not have a place in the game. Period.

ive seen a video of morph killing ember by becoming ember and rooting + triple remnant him

The sad thing is I know you're lying. :)
To clarify: Morphling can NOT use ulti when transformed.