General DiscussionLeshrac

Lv 1 90 dmg vs 50 is way too much

Since im super bored rn.
Tried 2 game with him yesterday
Ignore the abandon (marked mid then team pick storm and invoker then i go safelane but pudge went carry)
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3812804639
First game run over tinker because nobody will tp in 2k. Just ran in and kill everybody 1vs5 went 1 point in edict and regretted it
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3812889003
Pretty even matchup vs voker until warlock baited him to gank me and they both die so i take a point in edict to push tower. Regretted not going bloodstone so i can farm faster and be unkillable(thought i would be unkillable with euls but oh well)
So what i get from both game is he is pretty good if you pick him to be unkillable(like enemy has no damage against him). Then again this is normal skill so i cant say much about it
Edit:main buff is his damage in e. Guess you can take a point in ulti but i like going 4-0-4-0 then dont take talent till lv 13

I'm dogsh1t at this hero and have 30% winrate but i think the hero is pretty solid now. Seen it in a few games and if you know how to play it you can stomp with it pretty easily.

2-0-4 seems alright but i think 2-0-2 into max Edict might be even better in theory. 2 points in lightning storm should be enough to secure range cs in the lane. I guess you dont wanna keep the stun at lvl 1 because aoe is super small and its really easy to miss it. Having maxed edict increases your single target dmg output by a lot and allows you to take towers.

Also tried it with no points in edict. It’s terrible. You can’t push the tower when they are gone from the lane. The damage scaling is very bad (only 40 extra damage) while the mana scales way higher.

One point if you need help for csing and harass against ranged heroes otherwise going max stun and edict is still way better

As for the item build i think it might be better to go for smaller items before getting a bloodstone. Everyone i saw have any success with this hero built 2 smaller items before going into bloodstone.

Euls and atos are good for setting up the stun. Veil is a logical progression from the nulls you get during the laning phase. Glimmer is a good survivability item and drums can be decent as well.

Later on bkb, shivas is probably the best. I think octarine's overrated but you can get it as your 6th slot.

Think you definitely should keep an ability point back for a point in edict in case the other mid leaves the lane.

I think euls bloodstone is fine
I see in an aggro tri going 2-0-4 because u want to harass
But I guess mid might be different if ur purpose is to take the mid tower
Also till when do you skip ulti, because u used to go max edict then max stun then ulti and just never skill lightning storm, but now it's changed, so does ult come later or earlier or anything?
I might try this hero today

Get ult when you have the mana to use it otherwise it is a waste of a skill point really.

do u think aquila is fine to build if u want to take the t1 quick
since u dont get edict as early as before it might be harder, and ive seena lot of heroes like even dp and shit get it sometimes

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3815975257?guide=783dee
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3810937817?guide=dd2b9b

I really hope lesh meta doesn't come back again. Like ever.
Valve you already did good by bringing back lina meta, no need to overdo it pls.

lesh hasnt even been meta while ive been playing dota
he hasnt even been a hero for like 2.5 years
ur ptsd is not relevant

i played lesh several days ago, doesn't go very well.
but will try again next time.
i think lightning storm on lv 1 and go 4-4-1-0 on lv 9 would be good.

Maxing edict and his q while taking only 2point in lighting seems like a good idea. What do you think about an alternate lesh build(phase soulring euls glimmer force ghost scepter) the idea is to make your hero unkillable by being super elusive

Lesh is basically always good during McRib season.

That's not enough Mana Regen imo
I like 2-0-4 into max edict
2-0-2 intoax edict is fine also, but I don't think u need more than 2 points in stun early

ptsd is completely reasonable. have a look at the most banned for TI5 to see how broken le disco pony was. although, having said that, letting lesh through in the grand final is still the greatest outdraft I've seen at TI.