General DiscussionCan you tell me how i lost ?

You lost because your ancient was destroyed

if u had picked LC Woods u had won

I think you lost because of your draft. Doesnt look like you had a dedicated support. Cant blame the lifestealer. 4 or actually near 5 core line up.

i can see what you're saying, venomancer was the "pos5 support" btw LOL he had more farm than the carry himself .
honestly im starting to doubt logic in this bracket , most of the times the team that has more carries win here, because games tend to go long and noone wants to destroy racks for some reason.

the enemy team had sand king mid btw ( LOL ) , top juggernaut and offlane troll ( or vice versa i forgot )

You lost cause you clearly didnt capitalise on your farm enough. Of you are so far ahead in terms of kills and xp then this kind of thing shouldnt happen and if it does its because you didnt play your advantage.

if you dont win, you lose

Your ancient got destroyed.

Probably 6k MMR player would have won it.

Maybe in general you played well, but sometimes little things let you snowball even harder. It's hard to say what you did wrong without watching a whole replay.

I personally don't like your itemisation -> S&Y gives you not that much (I understand you bought it probably to replace boots as 6th item, but I would still get sth else, coz u have low cd on remnant). I would get linken/BKB/Skadi/Hex/Bloodthorn/Radiance/Blink instead. They have Troll, and Jugg with fly. I think you needed sth to deal with their evasion. You bought octarine, I personally don't like it without radiance, but I guess with flame guard talent it's fine. You should ask yourself what was your problem as a team in that game (not able to push? losing team fights? If you lose teamfights why? Lack of dmg? Not having proper initiation?). From what I see is you lack initation & lockdown. I think Hex+Blink+BKB could be great that game.

Also don't feel disprited that you lost. I'm sure if you constantly play like you did in that game, you would gain MMR in a long run. Look more at your individual performance than MMR.

@parmaviolets , can you tell me how can i capitalise on the farm or take it to advantage ? , i looked at the match on opendota ( parsed match ) - https://www.opendota.com/matches/4466964369
i see that troll was free farming the jungle and noone ganked him :) - so they have an extra carry, jugg and troll , on top of that they have a nature prophet that is afk pushing towers.

@caesar thanks for your insight , actually i usually buy kaya and yasha on ember ( i find it super nice ) and i did in this game also , but then nature prophet had orchid , so i disassembled the kaya and yasha into manta style and sange and yasha(which is also nice for some tankiness and state resistance .. )
we couldnt really take towers or so bcz our only right clicker was lifestealer , at last i bought a daedalus and wanted to sell my stuff to buy divine and battlefury but it was too late, maybe i should have done this before.
i think hex was a good choice that game.

you have to be the playmaker, command the noobs to not overcommit, tower first then kill (THIS IS THE HARDEST ONE I TOLD YA). In good day you can even command your carry to jungle if he has hard time in lane.....but yeah most of the time carry has dog brain who cant even listen to advice and went 0-9 on juggernaut. So by this i can infer that some game is just unwinnable.

If troll was freefarm and nobody ganked him play support and dont let it happen again
Nobody said only mid players can raise mmr
I was 2k and i was playing mid mostly, but i did a lot like dodging every shit with slight of fiest to won the game but with supporting a lot ezier games A LOT!
If u playing mid and u expect others carry u, sth is wrong with u, thats all!

Your itemization was a bit weird. Manta wasn't really needed in my opinion, neither did you really need octarine. Instead of manta, you could have made linkens, atleast that will help you not get insta hexed and shit. Kaya and sange was also a bit stupid from my opinion. They had some evasion, including troll axes, even though manta would dispel it, you could have just gone for an mkb. When it comes to winning the game, I wouldn't know since I haven't seen the gameplay. But items wise, you could have done better.

@drake ember already have true strike talent :)

@rimuru exactly , mostly i win when i tell my team what to do exactly , but sometimes i get easily tilted and mute the whole teams and play alone.

@kowareta 100% my fault i didnt even notice that there was a troll in enemys team until like 15 min :P.

@drake, yes you're right , i really didnt think twice , since i was already killing everyone and didnt need to extra think, which i should have done. i bought octarine cz i had so much Gold.

in the gamelplay, i died like 2 times , my last one was crucial and lost us the game , after i died they got all 3 rax and got megas .
when i respawned,we killed their whole team and pushed mid with lifestealer. the other team members were defending vs megas .
so only troll was alive when we reached the tier 4 mid . and he killed lifestealer as if he was a cookie tbh. ( and thats what irretated me the most , that it was 2 vs troll and we couldnt kill him since he had like satanic and mkb ... )
anyways i really need to think ahead with my item choices . thats for sure

you think ember magic is better than battlefury ?

^yes ember magic > battlefury..

@Kowareta true, completely forgot about it since I havent played ember in a bit. Still, mkb boasts a nice damage boost and proc.

As for magic or battlefury, I would say magic is better. Comes on earlier and does a good job. Its situational though.

@Kowareta also noticed he didn't pick the true strike talent, so mkb would still have been a good suggestion :D

Your opponent team had much better draft for pushing even do rat, once the game dragged over 30 mins mark then it became harder to your team

Useless items :sny, octarine manta.
Get dagger Daedalus Daedalus Daedalus divine divine if u wanna carry.

Ok to be fair to the OP, of course someone who is 10k MMR would stomp the game no problem, and yes maybe your items could be improved (I don't play ember so I have no comment on what), I understand the manta vs Orchid / thron / omni. I feel like if you die once the game is over because as someone else said they got super pushing lineup with troll and furion.

Also: What the fuck is that Naix doing. Maybe it would of made a difference if he was good, maybe not. But his item choices are unforgivable. It triggers me so hard when they don't go midas this patch. And completed abyssal?! Radiance is clearly the best item for him here to help depush vs treeants and to help vs TW and Jugg hitting him in the face, possibly a manta of his own to help again with lane push and to prevent orchid / thorn / omni..

Maybe it didn't make a difference to the outcome but it sure as hell made your game super hard. I know it is sacrillege on here to blame team mates and maybe you didn't play 100% perfect but your Naix made that game nearly impossible.

You lost as your carries didn't carry you hard enough and your supports didn't support you well enough.
You did a fine job as spectator. #Notyourfault. :D

Your team cannot push.

1. You either build the rat build (blink/BoT) but they have good depush.
2. You need to take towers faster. I've seen Deso ember for precisely this purpose.
3. Alternatively, man up and build damage (DR+Daed), which also lets you rip up towers. Their cores are squishy.

But yes, LS' build is shit. No midas AND no radiance = melee creep, especially vs. troll. At this skill level, radiance vs. SK is a free kill (as I know from personal experience).

I think you lost because the enemy team has better lategame. Also you were lacking control for troll-bkb
Troll and jugg Are monsters lategame.
You played good, it's not on you.
Your team (so far as I can see) didn't play that bad either, they got out farmed. And then they got destroyed lategame.
Also ls is a good hero, but his lategame tankiness is nothing compared to that troll right click.
I think you lost because the enemy had more control over lategame than you do. You weren't capable to win in early, and they had late.
Also I just found out that you blame it on ls no midas.
You disgust me, midas is trash. Hasn't bulldog told you so?
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I think their most important hero for you was not Troll/Jugg, but Nature Prophet. As long as he was alive you couldn't push. Killing him was the key to get towers. You had little to deal with him - not enough depush, and pretty much no solo kill potential after he bought hex. Your build had nth to deal with him.

Thank you all for your insights i appreciate it .

i will work more on itemization and trying to capitallize on my stomp by pushing towers early as possible.
and yes natureprohet players are pissing me off tbh :P