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General Discussion7.21 c

7.21 c in General Discussion
TheRRogue

    Any opinion?

    zorrondo

      PL with 2 consecutive big buffs

      LucaManny

        This is undeserved nerf for Arc Warden wtf midas nerf from 200 ti 180 to 160 because everyone start buying it at every hero what the fuxk. They arent aware that midas nerf affect warden -,-

        Just nerf the exp gain because that's the reason why everybody buying it sjjdejej

        LucaManny

          Also, pls stop buying midas u retard is shit now

          varjager

            Just nerf the exp gain because that's the reason why everybody buying it

            Do you actually believe people buy midas for the xp? I would say most people dont even know about the xp.

            Stop Playing

              sven got nerfed so hard....
              well fuck icefrog. he is probably blind that nerfes a dead core like sven again

              TheRRogue

                Surprisingly,viper nerf were quite tame. Most of the time you were always gonna spread your nethertoxin to cover more area so by disabling their dmg to stack is pretty meh,maybe it will slow his jungling a little bit alongside the mana increase.

                Cheap Laugh Guy

                  Yeah, Viper is still strong. Not a big nerf considering how OP he was.

                  I'm mad they didn't buff MoM at all.

                  A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘 (My Chat is

                    So what now? Offlaners have a better time with the deny XP changes ?
                    I can see lot of nerfs so games tend to be more long?
                    Is void offlane back to meta?
                    Qop offlane considerable?
                    Pl is a pretty great mid game carry esp when you can secure him free farm. I guess he comes online than most other carries now?

                    Flex

                      Sucks about kunnka, is he still gonna be a top tier mid hero after that huge tidebringer nerf?
                      Also is drums ember still the thing?

                      Atha

                        Viper nerf isn't tame, and increase to 100 mana is very big considering it's 5 scnds CD, and people actually had a hard time ganking Viper because defensive nether toxin can be spammed at Viper's current position and by the time they arrived at viper position, he spits the 2nd nethertoxin which deals massive dmgpl

                        Atha

                          I forgot to mention this, but I assume the biggest problem for viper overwhelming win rates is he can farm jungle so fast, so nerfing he manacost and damage not stacking is on point.

                          It's like old meepo who already at lvl 20 while all other people are lvl 12-15

                          Atha

                            @james drum nerf are directed to viper, his build in 7.21b are usually drum, greaves, solar crest.
                            Kunkka nerf also pretty deserved though, his early game are so strong with extra 40 dmg at denying, and his splash hurts so much early game since u have low armor

                            Talker

                              I think that midas became more valuable because it is better cost effective wise than it was and the midas meta will continue for a while - there was always benefit of gold+XP, but it granted AS lower than pretty much any other AS item.

                              Now in this regard midas is just better than it was before - it gives more AS than Yasha (or SAY/KAY), orchid, PT, similar AS as Silver Edge, Manta... So there are just few items providing more AS than Midas - hyperstone based items (3) & butterfly. That is it.

                              Even when you are 6slotted, 40 AS is just still decent. And you get faster moonshard/buyback than with SAY for example. So I think midas will stay in meta untill they nerf the AS again, so it is solely XP/gold based item.

                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                dont buy midas

                                Scarifar

                                  CM wasn't changed, still trash. +20 Freezing Field armor is nothing if the enemy team always has stuns that can go past Glim Cape.

                                  LeHowl James

                                    that's why you rush bkb dumbo

                                    Crimson Sky

                                      Can someone please explain to me on here how the hell BH did not get an enourmous nerf. Along with Tiny and Furion he ruins most of my pubs. A meta where BH and NP are this strong is just so fucking crap.

                                      Crimson Sky

                                        Also they should change cost of dust to 100 for 2. And give it it's own slot like TP has that way everyone buys it and everyone can afford it.

                                        Chee Pet the Friendly Grab

                                          Wtf they nerfed lycan. Valve is really smoking crack. Lycan been not in meta even in pro matches. Looking at dotabuff trends lycan winrates dropped a huge deal. Now some of you may say at high mmr lycan has high winrates. Well.. mid to low mmr should also have the benefit to enjoy this hero right?

                                          Chee Pet the Friendly Grab

                                            And where the fxxx is Mars? Winter in march?

                                            Tyrannical Cancer

                                              what i hate the most is sven and pa nerf. Recently they just got buff on 1 or 2 their skill . Now they nerfing not even talent but also their stat. Sven ulti CD nerf stat nerf.
                                              WTF man. Sven become meta because his 3rd , and he got nerfed whole thing. It's just unfair

                                              Chee Pet the Friendly Grab

                                                Looks like Valve wants to encourage boosting. Meepo and brood buff. Meepo winrate is skyrocketing now. Boosters rejoice!!

                                                Fuka suginai o nīchan

                                                  Player with knowledge buy the midas for exp gain on certain heroes and basic noobs buy them for money on every hero and say thats shit now xD OH now it gives 40 gold less then 2 patches ago = shit ;S

                                                  DSP

                                                    Meepo winrate is high

                                                    Chee Pet the Friendly Grab

                                                      Yes because valve wants to encourage boosting so lets buff heros like meepo and brood!

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