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General DiscussionLet's go. Mars out!!!!

Let's go. Mars out!!!! in General Discussion
MuLLi

    ofc we can make rules for bet like only VHS bracket etc.

    cartel

      i don't have 20k monies tho so you'll have to lend me 20k

      MuLLi

        we just need to fix rules for the bet! So we will use only VHS bracket games and dotabuff database.

        cartel

          actually betting is haram i'm out sorry

          MuLLi

            so how the fuck I will get any money if I will win if u doesn't have the money =D

            MuLLi

              halal it is halal

              cartel

                now that i think about it you said 60% winrate in vhs
                which is ok to assume
                my bet was accross all brackets...people will be playing him like crazy in low mmrs and they WILL be losing
                which is what made heroes like willow have 47% winrate on release and like 57% winrate in vhs

                '96 Neve Campbell

                  Yeah sure its a literal impossibility he will have over 60% so if you are willing to hand over €1000 im down.

                  I would estimate he will have a high winrate for a new release since he seems strong so probably about 54-58%.

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                  arin

                    hello i made a few tests on his ult
                    they dont share same damage as you
                    they have spear damage
                    no attack modifiers
                    cant force out
                    cant ghost from them
                    can get swapped out
                    cant skewer
                    can leap
                    can mk jump
                    bat can fly above it
                    slark can pounce
                    can snowball out
                    so u can get tossed out
                    u can get hooked in or out by pudge
                    can't hook out as clock and cant timber chains out
                    u can blink
                    u can sandking stun out
                    it hits invis units
                    so no weaver out
                    cant phoenix out
                    even if HE IS FUCKING FLYING LIKE BAT
                    AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
                    you can spell immune out
                    jugg
                    naix
                    bkb
                    and walk out

                    this is like the most inconsistent behavior that i've seen in a while

                    cartel

                      actually having 1000 monies pepehands
                      @ arin it's like disruptor e ...kinda

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                      '96 Neve Campbell

                        this is like the most inconsistent behavior that i've seen in a while
                        Its based on flying properties. If you are spell immune/invulnerable OR have flying movement then you are allowed to path out of it. The only thing that doesnt make much sense is Icarus Drive. I would imagine you have flying movement in Icarus Drive but clearly you just have free pathing during its duration instead of flying status.

                        By this logic Winter Wyvern and Nightstalker will also be able to fly outside of the ult but other stuff like Techies blast off and Nyx's 25 wont be able to path out of it. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the case?

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                        MuLLi

                          Yeah i'm in parmaviolets Dotabuff VHS database will have over 60% win rate after week without nerfs

                          cartel

                            two people with 1000 monies pepehands

                            paNightmare mirror

                              Pretty lame hero with 4 OP skills and talants. Hope they will remake his 2nd and 3rd.

                              JDF8

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                                  Why not bristlefront? Kappa

                                  SirIronSights

                                    Yay, another terribly broken hero.
                                    OpFrog did it again boys.

                                    Pale Mannie

                                      impaling some shitters on towers will sure be fun

                                      ETd

                                        Here’s the questions that are relevant for 3K and under: how does he farm? How well does he scale into the late game?

                                        For 4K and above, where people actually take advantage of objective timings and opportunities: how well does he farm for early fights? How well does he hit buildings,clear waves, take rs?

                                        Feachairu

                                          LOL @ bristlefront

                                          he seems like physical damage tank ors omething,should be countered to pugna or stuff

                                          Feachairu

                                            so ulti is just like damaging u when you got to sides right? this is just dream coil but better

                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                              I can bet he get more than 60% w-rate after first week

                                              Even 80% seems possible


                                              Yeah i'm in parmaviolets Dotabuff VHS database will have over 60% win rate after week without nerfs

                                              You might as well start finding the money cause he has a 45% winrate in VHS which is what I would have imagined from a new hero

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                                              Cancer Malaria

                                                Look at all these arguements. :Osfrog: :Clap: Balance in all things

                                                Feachairu

                                                  i think this dude can be played as kunnka or like him

                                                  Feachairu

                                                    "can mk jump " thx cap keel

                                                    9o_o6

                                                      I think people forget that mars himself also cant get out from his ult LOL. Cant wait for all the fails of the week this will have.

                                                      cartel

                                                        yes he can....he can walk out and leave them there

                                                        cartel

                                                          so can his teammates...it only traps enemies
                                                          so sadly no fails of the week

                                                          Feachairu

                                                            this hero is so fucking strong at lane just max 1 first and kill people with ulti after u get 6
                                                            ulti deals more like +300 more damage if you max s1 first since if people stun they dont move out

                                                            if u want to farm lane maybe get skill 2 first but skill 1 better imo

                                                            you can burst anyone with 1k hp ish i think

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                                                            Feachairu

                                                              oovstout2branch-tango-bottle-phase-radi/meteor hammer(?)-medalion/solar i think u can go guardian greaves also

                                                              buy salves or mango in between if you need

                                                              Lokieleven

                                                                Hero seems strong on paper but so many animations look annoying on my screen tbh

                                                                Feachairu

                                                                  medal+deso seems work also according to my fren

                                                                  Khalilov

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                                                                    the better spidey

                                                                      Looks like a balanced hero to me.

                                                                      Insane mana problems and will end up having like 600 mana by level 25 so extremely weak against any form of mana burn. Diffusal wrecks him, and so does any diffusal carrier generally because so many carries can easily escape his ult.

                                                                      Potato Marshal

                                                                        I don't see mana problem on him with soul ring. His QW combo only costs 170 mana when both are maxed out.

                                                                        Feachairu

                                                                          buy meteor hammer on this hero so goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood for early killings

                                                                          bearcat0611

                                                                            ive done soul ring vlads with the occasional clarity against bots and not had any severe mana problems. I think you max your first two skills first and just leave a value point in the passive, not entirely sure though as I havent played a real game with him. phase vlads deso seems like a fairly decent early fighting build and with vlads and soul ring you can sustain farming with w. I think we will likely see nerfs to the damage or mana cost of his w and maybe a nerf to his cooldowns. That and nerfs to his starting stats because those feel a little ridiculous.

                                                                            Potato Marshal

                                                                              Anybody here try blink dagger + spear throw skewer combo yet?

                                                                              Rage

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                                                                                SirIronSights

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                                                                                  гриндр

                                                                                    He seems balanced, even kinda weak. I think ulti should pierce bkb

                                                                                    SirIronSights

                                                                                      his lategame is waah.
                                                                                      his early is pretty op.
                                                                                      rescale him to lategame IceFrog
                                                                                      make his spear do less dmg early and like +100 more late.

                                                                                      Potato Marshal

                                                                                        Does his shield count as damage block? The little yellow number showing how much damage is blocked is there too whenever he uses bulwark.

                                                                                        SirIronSights

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                                                                                          hym

                                                                                            "Anybody here try blink dagger + spear throw skewer combo yet?"

                                                                                            It's pretty good, you just blink and send them across an entire lane to a tree then your team eats them

                                                                                            Lruce Bee

                                                                                              Can you spear someone to the ult wall?

                                                                                              I once knew a chicken nam...

                                                                                                Everytime a new hero is released, it gets ultra buffed. Valve introduces arcana or some items for that hero. People invest on the items coz they like the hero as its buffed rn. Soon they get nerfed badly. Happend to willow and monkey King. :3

                                                                                                SirIronSights

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                                                                                                    I'm finding armlet, SB and AC really good on him.

                                                                                                    SirIronSights

                                                                                                      Mars best build:
                                                                                                      Double divine rapier.
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