now that i think about it you said 60% winrate in vhs
which is ok to assume
my bet was accross all brackets...people will be playing him like crazy in low mmrs and they WILL be losing
which is what made heroes like willow have 47% winrate on release and like 57% winrate in vhs
hello i made a few tests on his ult
they dont share same damage as you
they have spear damage
no attack modifiers
cant force out
cant ghost from them
can get swapped out
cant skewer
can leap
can mk jump
bat can fly above it
slark can pounce
can snowball out
so u can get tossed out
u can get hooked in or out by pudge
can't hook out as clock and cant timber chains out
u can blink
u can sandking stun out
it hits invis units
so no weaver out
cant phoenix out
even if HE IS FUCKING FLYING LIKE BAT
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT PART
you can spell immune out
jugg
naix
bkb
and walk out
this is like the most inconsistent behavior that i've seen in a while
this is like the most inconsistent behavior that i've seen in a while
Its based on flying properties. If you are spell immune/invulnerable OR have flying movement then you are allowed to path out of it. The only thing that doesnt make much sense is Icarus Drive. I would imagine you have flying movement in Icarus Drive but clearly you just have free pathing during its duration instead of flying status.
By this logic Winter Wyvern and Nightstalker will also be able to fly outside of the ult but other stuff like Techies blast off and Nyx's 25 wont be able to path out of it. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the case?
Here’s the questions that are relevant for 3K and under: how does he farm? How well does he scale into the late game?
For 4K and above, where people actually take advantage of objective timings and opportunities: how well does he farm for early fights? How well does he hit buildings,clear waves, take rs?
this hero is so fucking strong at lane just max 1 first and kill people with ulti after u get 6
ulti deals more like +300 more damage if you max s1 first since if people stun they dont move out
if u want to farm lane maybe get skill 2 first but skill 1 better imo
Insane mana problems and will end up having like 600 mana by level 25 so extremely weak against any form of mana burn. Diffusal wrecks him, and so does any diffusal carrier generally because so many carries can easily escape his ult.
ive done soul ring vlads with the occasional clarity against bots and not had any severe mana problems. I think you max your first two skills first and just leave a value point in the passive, not entirely sure though as I havent played a real game with him. phase vlads deso seems like a fairly decent early fighting build and with vlads and soul ring you can sustain farming with w. I think we will likely see nerfs to the damage or mana cost of his w and maybe a nerf to his cooldowns. That and nerfs to his starting stats because those feel a little ridiculous.
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Everytime a new hero is released, it gets ultra buffed. Valve introduces arcana or some items for that hero. People invest on the items coz they like the hero as its buffed rn. Soon they get nerfed badly. Happend to willow and monkey King. :3
ofc we can make rules for bet like only VHS bracket etc.
i don't have 20k monies tho so you'll have to lend me 20k
we just need to fix rules for the bet! So we will use only VHS bracket games and dotabuff database.
actually betting is haram i'm out sorry
so how the fuck I will get any money if I will win if u doesn't have the money =D
halal it is halal
now that i think about it you said 60% winrate in vhs
which is ok to assume
my bet was accross all brackets...people will be playing him like crazy in low mmrs and they WILL be losing
which is what made heroes like willow have 47% winrate on release and like 57% winrate in vhs
Yeah sure its a literal impossibility he will have over 60% so if you are willing to hand over €1000 im down.
I would estimate he will have a high winrate for a new release since he seems strong so probably about 54-58%.
this is like the most inconsistent behavior that i've seen in a while
actually having 1000 monies pepehands
@ arin it's like disruptor e ...kinda
By this logic Winter Wyvern and Nightstalker will also be able to fly outside of the ult but other stuff like Techies blast off and Nyx's 25 wont be able to path out of it. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the case?
Yeah i'm in parmaviolets Dotabuff VHS database will have over 60% win rate after week without nerfs
two people with 1000 monies pepehands
Pretty lame hero with 4 OP skills and talants. Hope they will remake his 2nd and 3rd.
B R I S T L E F R O N T
Why not bristlefront? Kappa
Yay, another terribly broken hero.
OpFrog did it again boys.
impaling some shitters on towers will sure be fun
Here’s the questions that are relevant for 3K and under: how does he farm? How well does he scale into the late game?
For 4K and above, where people actually take advantage of objective timings and opportunities: how well does he farm for early fights? How well does he hit buildings,clear waves, take rs?
LOL @ bristlefront
he seems like physical damage tank ors omething,should be countered to pugna or stuff
so ulti is just like damaging u when you got to sides right? this is just dream coil but better
You might as well start finding the money cause he has a 45% winrate in VHS which is what I would have imagined from a new hero
Look at all these arguements. :Osfrog: :Clap: Balance in all things
i think this dude can be played as kunnka or like him
"can mk jump " thx cap keel
I think people forget that mars himself also cant get out from his ult LOL. Cant wait for all the fails of the week this will have.
yes he can....he can walk out and leave them there
so can his teammates...it only traps enemies
so sadly no fails of the week
this hero is so fucking strong at lane just max 1 first and kill people with ulti after u get 6
ulti deals more like +300 more damage if you max s1 first since if people stun they dont move out
if u want to farm lane maybe get skill 2 first but skill 1 better imo
you can burst anyone with 1k hp ish i think
oovstout2branch-tango-bottle-phase-radi/meteor hammer(?)-medalion/solar i think u can go guardian greaves also
buy salves or mango in between if you need
Hero seems strong on paper but so many animations look annoying on my screen tbh
medal+deso seems work also according to my fren
>Pick viper
>Break his 3rd
...Profit?
Looks like a balanced hero to me.
Insane mana problems and will end up having like 600 mana by level 25 so extremely weak against any form of mana burn. Diffusal wrecks him, and so does any diffusal carrier generally because so many carries can easily escape his ult.
I don't see mana problem on him with soul ring. His QW combo only costs 170 mana when both are maxed out.
buy meteor hammer on this hero so goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood for early killings
ive done soul ring vlads with the occasional clarity against bots and not had any severe mana problems. I think you max your first two skills first and just leave a value point in the passive, not entirely sure though as I havent played a real game with him. phase vlads deso seems like a fairly decent early fighting build and with vlads and soul ring you can sustain farming with w. I think we will likely see nerfs to the damage or mana cost of his w and maybe a nerf to his cooldowns. That and nerfs to his starting stats because those feel a little ridiculous.
Anybody here try blink dagger + spear throw skewer combo yet?
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Also fuck Mars.
I want diretide.
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He seems balanced, even kinda weak. I think ulti should pierce bkb
his lategame is waah.
his early is pretty op.
rescale him to lategame IceFrog
make his spear do less dmg early and like +100 more late.
Does his shield count as damage block? The little yellow number showing how much damage is blocked is there too whenever he uses bulwark.
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"Anybody here try blink dagger + spear throw skewer combo yet?"
It's pretty good, you just blink and send them across an entire lane to a tree then your team eats them
Can you spear someone to the ult wall?
Everytime a new hero is released, it gets ultra buffed. Valve introduces arcana or some items for that hero. People invest on the items coz they like the hero as its buffed rn. Soon they get nerfed badly. Happend to willow and monkey King. :3
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Yes you can!
Make Mars Great Again!
I'm finding armlet, SB and AC really good on him.
Mars best build:
Double divine rapier.
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