-starting items, ring of protection, qb, 1 set of tangos. no salve, no stout shield
-push the wave from the first creep wave
-first "item" is a belt of strength. not a bracer, a wraith band, a wand, and/or more regen to stay in lane
-constantly dying with unspent gold and have no easy to build stat items on quickbuy
-you buy and sell belt of strength twice
-dont jungle as soon as you're 6 with 2-3 wraith bands
-"guys whys my lane so hard"
not saying the matchup isnt difficult, but good players can sometimes win bad matchups or at least not lose them as hard. but when you have a bad matchup and on top of that, play it poorly, of course the game's unwinnable.
first of all it doesn't matter if he can just press q and win
so all of that still isn't valid.
he called like once the entire laning stage. but w/e im sure you played perfectly and miracle would've had the same cs as you in 10 minutes
im sure i've played a lot of pl agianst axe when i was normal skill. he was broken back then tho. but its winnable and u are shit. sry
buy stout and mass regen. you will lose lane no matter what, but you can salvage cs with creep agro and better farming patterns. also theres a point where you just go farm another lane isnce hes too strong, and you can still have itnms.
Lol you all are so brainwashed. What items counter axe that are actually reliably obtainable, "you are shit" is weak-sense thinking, comparing me to pro's is just a whole new level of what the fuck. and i can't get cs if i can't approach the wave without dying. No don't even say that I should hide and farm under turret because turrets weren't doing shit, so cut the bs and tell me something that isn't retarded.
So multiple players who are better than you offer you advice on what to do right and pointers on what you did wrong, but they're all somehow "brainwashed" by Icefrog's magical "makes-you-think-the-game-is-balanced" sub orbital satellite ray.
So if you know better than all these people, how come you aren't doing better? How come your winrate, and average performances are so all incredibly low? 356 average PL GPM?
You've got to be trolling man. I don't believe that people can actually possess as low a level of self awareness as you're currently displaying.
If thays the case, then axe winrate against PL should be 100%, but guess what? Its only 56%, that mean 44% PL player win that pl vs axe game.
And thag Androgynous who have like 2k+ more mmr than u take his time to watch ur replay amd giving u 100% legit insight what u did wrong then u just going like "lol its 100% invalid"
When did i say I was better then all of you. You didn't give useful advice except Admiralbulldog gave me some good wisdom. So you desephviasco justify intellect based on a number in a broken video game? That is sad. as for you Trashcan I am not doing better because the game prevents me. The reason you all "win" is by playing broken heroes like MK and Pudge, and other heroes that essentially play the game for you.
When did i say I was better then all of you
as for you Trashcan I am not doing better because the game prevents me
tell me something that isn't retarded.
Everyone tries to pretend that for some fantasy land reason
you all are so brainwashed
all these hypocrites burn my eyeeeees!
Ur autistic garbo m8, kys cancer.
You are the reason for what am i doing.
Just fucking imagine OP first picking core on your team.
Lol you're just noob I have 67% win rate on PL ggwp, that hero is so cancer if you can play him correctly try to confuse/attacking enemy with fake or all illusions. And gg noob you can't dodge axe berserk call with your 2nd skill.
Well, in the lane game, I would say that playing against axe is usually hard, especially if he has a strong support with heals/saves. You would most often be better off swapping lanes with your offlane. You did several weird things in your game, as pointed out above, and it seems you don't quite get that you need to change up things when you face off with a hero you can't quite deal with yet... I would say it's a fucking nightmare for an axe to get the jump on you in teamfights, as you can just dispatch some illusions to stalk the guy, making his blink initiation so much harder.
Another thing though, do you pick PL into axe? Most often than not, the enemys offlane is picked before the pos 1, so you get the luxury of not picking a core that axe likes to dismantle.
I would like to add that dealing with axe in lane most often feels like the role of the support, with harassing and zoning. I like AA, Dazzle, Abaddon and Jakiro for that role.
PLs first big powerspike is the Diffusal blade. After that you can probably join most fights. You don't have to have lategame for him to be viable. And it's up to your team to give you space to farm the jungle if you can't push or farm the lanes. You just have to be smart and work with the vision your supports provide, and rotate jungles based on the movements of the other team, keep an eye out fo smokes and ask for vision if you need it, don't just go into the fog and blame the support after-the-fact.
What a retarded OP this is :D
Id really like that someone point out my mistakes for free. You have a man that point out every single thing you made bad. Your movement probably sucks as well together with csing which Androgynous did not mention.
You're just a little kid with little ego so GTFO ! :) You're wasting air and our time.
You might as Well start with easier heros like jugg or Viper since you like cores.
So you lost a game and came onto forums with a rage post. Cool. Did you want people to help you or not?
You can blame the game, the community, everyone else except for yourself if you want. The thing is your attitude stinks and people react to it. Simple as that really.
There is a big difference between coming onto the forums, and asking: "Hey guys I found this lane impossibly hard, is there anything I can do as PL vs Axe?" vs "WHY DOES EVERYONE ACT LIKE THERE'S NO COUNTERPLAY WTFFFFF"
The difference is that in the first case, you allow for the possibility that maybe there are people in the community who can answer your question, that maybe somebody knows better than you and can help you.
In the second case, your whole post assumes that you know best and that nobody can ever possibly explain to you what you could've done better to make the situation better, because you know for a fact that there is no counterplay. Your post continues that you've "math"d it all in your head, so you know best.
The reality is that PL vs Axe is double edged, and Axe might have certain advantages against PL early on (as most offlaners do against most carries), but PL can do plenty against Axe once he has farm. The key thing is you need to get to the point that PL has farm and not let Axe snowball the game from the lane.
Axe's spin is quite good against PL because of its pure damage and it's % proc, meaning the more units hitting him the more he will spin. That means you don't really want to use your illusions to hit him unless you're going for a kill or you're draining his mana.
However, PL is good against Axe in certain ways. He can dispel debuffs, meaning that battle hunger does nothing to PL, he can instantly doppelganger it off. Also, you can use illusions to drag creeps under your own tower where it's safer.
Another thing that carry players need to learn to get something out of hard lanes is to use creep aggro to drag 1 creep under tower. That way you can farm 1 creep safely. You can also use phantom rush to run to creeps to farm them safely or run away from Axe when he tries to call.
If Axe is higher level than you than your support isn't doing their job. The support needs to zone Axe or pull to deny Axe xp, otherwise they probably just need to leave so you don't get a situation where Axe is higher level than you are. Still, if the lane is too hard it's probably a good idea to just go jungle.
If you do jungle, always use your spells to keep up farm efficiency and buy lots of clarities so you can spam your spells to farm. Farming is all about maintaining your curve, and net worth needs to be exponential for carries.
You need a support hero with a good stun. Like Lion or something. Someone who can stop the Axe in his tracks. And you should use the nuke to hit Axe as much as possible without actually putting yourself in danger. Basically if you can keep the Axe low enough on HP so that he doesn't want to come at you, you can win the lane.
No one has claimed this matchup to be easy for PL, but it is not impossible. But after you get your diffusal blade and have your illusions out, you drain all Axe's mana and he can't ult you after that...
And always have the doppelganger ready to get away from the axe if he runs at you... Basically keeping the axe off your back is the job of your support. And you can always swap lanes. The offlane is probably more easier to farm as PL if you have to deal with Axe in the safe lane. It will take the Axe some time to get bot to annoy you more...
And early stat items help you last hit and survive against early aggression way easier. Things like Wraithbands, Treads etc. You need to be able to regen. If you are low on health you can almost guarantee the Axe will come after you, even if you are under your tower. It is his job after all...
Just quit this game man it is clear your having issues at 42%.If you go check the win-rates Axe isn't even PL's biggest counter. PL in general has a 43% win-rate vs axe. so its not that bad bro. your just awful at the game and wont listen.
You forgot to mention in this post the part where you SUCK at this game. Likely not just this game, any game that requires the lowest amount of critical thinking and adaptation.
I would give you advice but it would be an even bigger waste of time than this post already has been. Stop dragging your knuckles on the ground and get off the forums.
Because they aren't skilled enough to overcome it. They need a clear advantage or they simply lose. Then they blame the team for it. That's what dota has become with the current trashy experience ruining low prio system
You are all still engaged in weak-sense thinking. You are all attacking me out of fear. so now you are being antisemitic, calling me Autistic, like what the hell is wrong with you people. LegendaryHD learn to speak English before embarrassing your self.
ShiftingSkys why is "you suck at the game" good advice and why would i listen to that, it doesn't teach anyone anything. So I think you all are just appealing to popularity and obviously have nothing original to say.
Glimmer of Dawn i'm not reading that wall of text, it is too large.
Lex the fact that you make the prescriptive assumption that I am a "child" because I say something you don't like to hear is hilarious and also learn to speak English like what the hell. so yeah I'M autistic. "I'd Really like SomEOne Poioint out My MistAKES forroo FreE point out sOmEthinG you MAde bAD tHeN yOU moVEmen.e.ee.NT probably SUkC tOO" yeah i'm so autistic.
It is so easy to 1v20ish all of you in an argument because you are all being brainless sheep appealing to popularity and not even giving me anything useful. If you only have the sight i have, You could see how ridiculous you all sound, because none of your sentences are making any sense.
i don't get how you people get basic human rights, I don't understand how you deserve anything more then being penned up with your computers and play a game you all have maybe logged 4000+ hours in. If you play the game so much you all can't speak proper English then you are all hopeless.
Dude, some people actually are trying to help, then you bury your head in the sand xD
Good luck in life, you’re gonna need it.
reminder that if a unfazed solo win player like me joined the server,i would literally destroy everyone under 6k with ease
trashcans gonna be trashcans
Man I love this thread. I get home, and there's a good chance that PezBlaster has somehow conjured up yet another mental gymnastic routine which posits that this is an alternate reality where everyone but him simply cannot see clearly.
PezBlaster is the prophet, the one whom sees the world in a state of true clarity. Only he can guide us out of the darkness, a blazing beacon of hope in a endless black sea of ignorance.
Assuming you're trolling, well done. This has been a highly entertaining read.
If somehow, you aren't: may god have mercy on your soul.
love the invoker plagiarism. It's "i am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance" like i said, you have nothing original to say. The fact also is you made a hasty generalization about me thinking that I am the only one who sees the world clearly. If anyone says something like this to you then you will assume that they think they know everything and that they are better then everyone. Not true, it is just that you are using Dota 2 as a grounds for justifying intellect and requiring 20 other people to gang up on me to make your self feel tough is nothing new.
So yeah I see through bull shit. That doesn't mean I am the returning of jesus. I have no Idea why or how you thought of that.
Glimmer of dawn I am listening to the people who actually have something meaningful to say. Most of it has been delusional people who think they are gods saying, "you suck" or "you are autistic." I don't think anyone here is trying to help, I think everyone here is being super condescending. As you are just now. If you wanted to help, say something. Saying you can win as PL, only makes you look like a show off. If you want to help. Tell me a good build order for PL, and answer some of these questions.
Should I block the wave in top on radiant? or should I do it on dire? If I can't fight anything because I have such a low health pool then what should I do? If you aren't going to actually like REALLY help, then I am sure you know what I am going to say next, because you, seem more intelligent then the other sheep here.
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u didnt even asked for a help. u got what u asked for very well here :)
from your words, i can say ur biggest problem is u dont know about creep aggro.
google it and enjoy laning against your hard counters.
Build order for PL depends! Usually u wanna do Diffusal asap!
U must ask your self how many active items u can REALLY use! Because making some pro build while u forgot to press button will not help u. Just try some items and use your brains.
P.S Example Silver edge will deal Axe so it won't helix anymore
Holy fuck he just keeps going. This is amazing.
You've received so much legitimate advice in this thread, but you've got your hands over your ears.
And of course I was paraphrasing Invoker, you're acting like him.
guys its that guy who said that arc is a trash hero because he gets countered easily he's clearly copypasta material.... just ignore all of his threads
The thing is, Pez, I feel sorry for you. I don’t have anything to prove. I have a proven track record of being helpful. My day job is a teacher, so I know how to help people when they ask for it. I’m just spending my free time on the forums because it’s the summer holidays and I can afford to laze about.
Sad thing for you is your posts read like a Trump supporter- puerile, in denial and angry.
This Peezblaster guy is shit lol, such short minded knowledge of the game
This troll kid with little ego is insane. :D hahaha
Cant speak proper English? ;D If only it was my native language you would be right. :)
Just fckin grow up. Whether its just trolling or your pure stupidity. Just grow up.
" I don't think anyone here is trying to help"
No shit, I just want you to drop dead.
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Play as pl get taunted by axe, hit him once i lose half my health instantly, and then the remaining duration is enough to finish me. "HOW IS THAT BALANCED, PL IS SUCH A BAD HERO HE HAS NO WAY OF FIGHTING BACK" he says, "no you are just bad" i say "what am i doing wrong" he says "learn to play him"
AS you can see he has no real reason. Everyone tries to pretend that for some fantasy land reason beyond the fantasy land that dota 2 already is, that you can somehow break the taunt at level 4 and then not get instakilled by the counter helix. Or bane just pressing R on you and you just die and have no way of defending you self.
PL feels like a liability and a huge hindrance to his team. Delusional people are like, "HES A LATE GAME HERO" well that basically means that hes a NO GAME HERO, because PL loses to every other hero and as PL, as long as the enemy just runs up and attacks you while you try to farm you can't do anything. How is he supposed to reach the late game if he has no early game to do, well, ANYTHING!
Everyone acts like there is so much counter play but when I do "math" it all out in my head, no, there is no counter play, after running through every option in situations like this.
Dota 2 is a joke, MIDDLE finger to the gaming community designed to waste your time in a 45 minutes Queue, then cheat you out of a victory in a 1 hour game, that if you leave you get low priority and basically can't play the game at all because winning in single draft might as well be trying to suck the ocean dry one drop at a time in 30 minutes. It can't be done.