General DiscussionEvaluating neutral items

we dont need more neutral items when we already have 8 by 20 min with 5 players. its a non issue.

You still not have the higher tier item for everyone since only 4 are given out per time mark. Not saying that there might be situations where an tier 1 item fits another player better than a tier 2/3 etc
Given you get jelly, an item gets stolen, and tree your down to 5-7 items, chances are that ther are no item good for you at that time either. ( Of course u can also steal items but u get the point)

Do you think a change would improve the game or make it worse tho?

While you are here is that badge next to your ign aomething u paid for or rank related? We have same rank so idk why u got it in this case

i still dont like them

and why the fuck is repair kit still in the game is beyond me

But that is the intent of having 4 items, you have to think of who is going to be left without item.
Greedy players will have the item no matter what, while good ones will pass the item for the best hero to carry it in the moment.
Dota is teamplay, and that encourages it, dont you see?

even with 5 items per tier you can't guarantee that every item you get will be usable / better than an item from the previous tier on all your heroes.

and like you said there are consumables such as jelly / mango tree, so even with 5 neutrals, this doesn't change anything because there is still the possibility of someone not getting a t1 neutral. games aren't won or lost because a pos 5 did or didn't have a neutral item before t2s spawned.

yeah none of t1-2 neutral items are gamebreaking so for not having them aren't gamelosing either

I think jelly is always gamebreaking tho. It's my favorite neutral item. I also like faded broach and spider legs

I have never once held a t5 item in a game yet. Zzz. I usually just hope for faded broach and would end the game with it. A funny thing people dont realize is if u have spider legs you can actually sell ur boots as it is giving u nothing just the stats as they dont stack

no point in selling ur boots until u fill the slot with another item cuz then ur just mising ur treads stats or phase armor or whatever. but yeah u can later sell it for another slot.

@meia vida then why remove the shared courier?

favorite items: trusty shovel & philo stone, the shovel increase your gpm by around 100 and the philo stone is always nice to put on in tough games where u feed alot. telescope i like alot too, support player here

philosophers stone is trash

nonono cm needs the extra mana pool, she has good mana regen yes but the mana pool is too small. i also try to remind myself to swap it and use it during im dead, its not much gold but some games u just gotta keep up with the sentry wards even though gold is harshly limited

noone knows why but gpm talents were remove a while ago and id like to think pro support players chose this? yes game is alot shorter now but gold matter so much as a pos 5

yes technically swapping it in ur inventory while ur dead is effecient but its also an item slot that gives u barely any gold and u can no longer hit creeps reliably, all around p bad item compared to the rest.

70 gpm is like one creep a minute. you could get more from an item that gives you mana regen to shove waves if you have aoe, and the benefit of actually shoving in waves, plus other useful stats

Feels pretty good right now unlike last time people would hit jungle indefinitely hoping for a neutral drop

Also faded best t1 fight me

i still tink should add som coupon to trade a item to your choosing on shop or gift box thing for the first 2 neutral drop so teams can choose wat they want

at least for t3 t4 t2 t5

for t5 should be all chooseable so its not too rng,they removed min 2 runes oredi so shuld make it less rng

imagin your t5 items hav 2 boots + balista + book of the dead with full of melee heroes wat u do on min 60

Both boots are really good wtf are u talking abt. Also t5 items being chooseable is omega giga broken.

@andro my playstyle is most likely going for gank and then clear enemy jungle camps and block those, need every inch of gold i can get my hands onto because i tend to buy lots of short items and would really want one 2k item too, im leaving the lanes for the core players and simply just stay behind those with a tp ready elsewhere
already have mana regen as crystal maiden and i most likely make mana boots on other hereoes and maybe an euls scepter