Talent, or talent tree?
I'd say Abaddon's AoE mist coil at 25. Pretty dumb, especially w the alternative
i dont know for all the lvls but for 25 i would say its Huskar's +175 attack range .
Has to be weakest 25 lvl in the game , attack range on a hero who wants to jump on enemies kekw.
On the other hand if you know what you are doing the game should end around 20-25 min.. so you never reach 25
omniknight lv 20, -12% degen aura. doesn't even pierce bkb anymore and the radius has been repeatedly nerfed over the years. when is an omni ever going to make use of this
invoker 25 +2 forge spirit armor reduction
I mean who would get this shit talent in lategame where your forge spirit would die in seconds and the alternative is way better.
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abba coil AOE if you take lv 15 talent translated as 315 heal/damage in AOE with 5.5s cd (4.4 if you take talent), in comparison to 225 extra EHP for reverse talent
yeah shield can be used pre-war to gain more bonuses as mentioned but I don't think that mist coil talent is that underwhelming in comparison.
i really dont like the legion commander mana regen talent, i almost always go for a soul ring playing him but i suppose its a decent add on once u hit lvl 30, its really like an axe once you get blink u try to play him a bit off map cuz u wanna disable the enemies from playing aggressive on other lanes. axe has mana talent too i think, i think its kinda useless on both since u can always regen ur mana with clarities once ur hidden from the map
legion commander is a girl, and the mana regen talent isnt bad, like i dont think any lvl 10 talents should be in contention for worst talent. mana regen talents on strength cores is always really nice because both legion and axe dont want to buy mana regen items, axe wants like blink blademail bkb, legion wants smth similar with like a shadow blade or halberd in there or whatever, but until lategame u often lack mana regen items.
even if theyre not that good theres is 0% chance theyre even in contention for worst in the entire game.
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well yeah, partly because his talents are shite. level 10 and 15 are also not exactly inspiring either.
Any health or lifesteal on a support is ridiculous. You shouldn't be hit at all if u position right.
Just thought of one:
lvl 15 on Storm Spirit, +400HP.
When the alternative is +80 remnant dmg, and Storm doesn't really care so much for HP because he cares about mana.
Even looked at the winrate difference between them on the Heroes tab on Dotabuff to confirm. 78.8% pickrate on the remnant damage, and it wins 5% more games than those who pick the 400HP.
I'm pretty sure the only reason there were 21.2% of people who got went for the HP was because they were already in losing scenarios and needed survivability(decreasing its winrate), but even in a vacuum, it just seems so weak.
What i mean is that those heroes (axe and legion) mana regen talent super bad cuz if u need mana u just buy clarity, the value of 8 str is like one duel win u need to play alot hidden from the map
I find the weaver skukchi talent at lvl 10 fucking garbage tbh, probably one of the worst talents in the game, but then again i rly never played weaver pos 2 maybe that talent amplifies your farm speed alot if u get stacks fom supports?
thing is that the +75 dmg doesnt do too much u just run into them and u will just fine reveal which target is the illusions and the real one
but yea i can totally see it have some impact though the agilty give single target dmg and armor which i value higher, most likely not weavers job to deal aoe dmg
weaver shukuchi talent is good wtf. its a 250 damage nuke on a 6 second cd. you ever play support weaver? 400 hp on storm isnt ideal but again having a worse talent to take when ur vulnerable to being bursted is imo kind of good, having a defensive talent thats suboptimal, but helps in case u need it is good for flexibility. and abt mana regen talent, none of them are bad, and certainly none of them are worst in the game. suboptimal maybe but this is abt worst in the game.
Wyvern used to have a talent that made her E last longer, which was hilariously bad and actually a downgrade.
no never played supp weaver, only pos 3 havent played weaver for very very long, probably the best talent as supp weaver forgot about that one
thing is that there u cant really consider a talent to be bad if the alternative talent is so much stronger if it has benefits to heroes at lvl 30 aswell, storm usually get loads of experience and 400 hp when he hit lvl 30 isnt baadd, usually storm players reach lvl 30 first too
i think that talent is about as good as the health talent for zeus. its not like 250 health saves the zeus or anything, u get caught as a zeus ur dying as a zeus
Vengeful Spirit level 10: -1 Wave of Terror armor
Unless you already maxed Wave of Terror by level 9, this talent is totally useless. Just put the skill point into Wave of Terror itself for -1 armor AND cooldown reduction and more damage.
^ you dont understand how armor works. if u go for armor build, its actually very valuable. reducing armor from 5 to 0 increases your damage output by 20%. which item does this for you? hod? 2k cost? it can be very valuable in certain situations when enemies have low armors, u can increase your damage by a lot with reducing 1 armor.
storm's 30 doesnt make overload pierces spell immunity good, and also u dont get lvl 30 in like 90% of games probably 95%
the talent just straight up doesnt do anything
Well given u have no other teammate have nothing piercing spell immunity u can give 80% slow to bkbed crry at least. How long does it last i can totally see this good with timeless relic
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What do you think what hero(s) have the single worst talent atm? And discuss about it.
I can't come up with any talent that would be as bad as elder titans lvl 20 talent: +125 echo stomp dmg. Even for lvl 10 talent this would be underwhelming given how the spell works imo.