just learn your position why are you bothering to complain about your carries pick it accomplishes nothing. just trying to blame others for your losses.
u cant really read between lines can you? how would you encounter the situation? i do not blame for losses i blame for bad lanes which automatically doesnt turn into losses
From my experience as an offlane player, the safe lane is usually the weakest lane unless it's a trilane. There's nothing you can do to stop your carry from being an idiot, but you can do other things such as pulling well, buying regen for your carry, or sacrificing yourself if it means they live. If you can't do any of these things, you can suggest that the offlane and safe lane switch or go offlane your self and try to make the enemy carry have as bad game as your own.
shadow amulet is the ultimate solution, u can enjoy free contents in youtube while your 3 strength cores getting ass raped by 3rd pick timber
Pulling doesnt work if u get hard contested lane such as timber and undying. Even if switching lanes other team usually respond and whats a pa gonna do on an offlane versus that shit?
Need gold for regen, byvpulling or kills. If we manage to kill zombie, which is highly unlikely he just return with full mana too.
What really grinds my gears is that carry players doesnt seem to have any idea of potential line ups, they get angry after about 2 mins realizing how shit his pick is, pick ursa/slark we dominate lane and noone fucking enjoys a game where u are behind and have to catch up.
If i stack i get flames cause the timber just gets high reactive stacks and clears it, like dual breath super good but its dmg over time not nuke
Yeah i gave up shadow amulet, its better to pretend ur trying instead of dropping to 3k behavior score thank you
This is just a post ranting about jugg/pa arcana players. Idiots they are hen they spam the hero and realize their pick is trash they say shit like why didntvu pick thisbsupport instead ur supp u need hero with heal etc.
Whenever i get jugg and pa arcana players i instantely become dead inside.
These people have no fucking clue how distressful it is to support a lane dead from start because when they are out of tokens they pick pudge 4/5
What do u mean by hypocrite? I said its better not that im doing it very often cause i actially want to win like 80% of the games i play
whats your problem?? i really dont understand
you expect a 3k dog carry counter picks enemy heroes? seriously?
it is what it is, just mute the fucking chat. nobody has any valuable thing to say in your mmr, not even in mine. there is no reason caring about what those donkeys saying in chat.
btw if u cant win your lane on your own with jakiro against timber, well , i dont know what to say!
Literally just play your game, your carries pick shouldn’t change what you need to do. Idek why you’re asking something like this, probably just for someone to console you that it’s not your fault and that obviously your carry is always losing you the game.
Okay so choice of carry shouldnt affect my gameplay? Lol
Following suggested item build by dota plus?
I am aware of that some games are just unwinable, but many seems to be yet are not, asking for general tips of how other people deal with the situation to gain inspiration
you could just ask, "hey guys, if im position 5 against a rough lane, what should i do?" or do your own research to answer the question instead of saying "omg carry pick trash lane is griefed"
in our legend bracket shit like picks dont fucking matter, you lost cuz u made more mistakes than the enemy did.
that is actually not true at all. Having good picks means you can make more mistakes and still win. Having a shit line up means you have so few mistakes chances on your team. Alot of times the carry picks into counter or heroes that dont synergize at all with his allies. That is just game losing.
Genuinely asking, what carry should you pick against timber or undying? Seems like any traditional agi carry (except MK?) will get shredded to oblivion against them in the lane
Yea, I'm a noob that's why I'm asking
picks do matter, meta is faster than dota used to be even though games a bit slower than just the recent patch. by winning lanes you will be able to create advantage and maintain it. toxicity especially arise when games harder than they necessarily have to be with bad picks.
ursa, mk, slark for sure better than pa on the lane. by buying one healing salve, even if the support has to be the one doing it we can turn fight, get kills and the lane wouldnt be as scary as if one of them were out of the lane.
If you think your lane will do better with lvl advantage just push the lane from lvl 1 even with your spells but let carry last hit
then pull your creeps to the big camp(thats really important, always pull creeps unless they're under your tower or all of them wont die to the neutrals otherwise enemy offlane will get double wave what is really bad) then just try to deal as much dmg as possible, simply do anything to let your carry farm, trade heals(dont be greedy on heals thats also important), let em chase you for as long etc, just make space, of course before the start of the match speak with your carry about the plan for the laning stage, if you think you have no chance winning the lane, place ward in the jungle( so you know if the enemy team knows about them or farming them) and do stacks( dont forget you can stack 2 camps at the same time with some heroes using spells, or buy boots if ur ranged) but dont afk stay jungle you can still help ur carry to get little bit more from the lane) and tell ur carry just to get exp and not feed, then when you think ur carry can deal with the stacks tell him to farm them (place him ward if needed for safe farming) while hes farming you can get exp on lane and shave creeps if possible so your tower dont get destroyed or gank somewhere. Overall, just think about all possible things you can do and what is the best you can do or your carry can do and also communicate with your carry as much as possible.
Its not possible to pull lanes vs undying & timber with a pa to back me up. If i pull the lan zombie nuke me and timber just gets creep wave + jungle camps.
Like its really crucial to deal with timber as soon as possible before he gets lvl 3. Zombie is just sitting on lane without taking experience
if you pull and they contest, that means ur carry is free farming
Lots of lil things you could try, maybe pull so just a ranged and 1 melee aggro.. (chances are they will die before they even contest) if nobody contests thats like denying 4 creeps in lane (since they still get 50% xp in lane), if someone does, less pressure on carry..
if you pull full wave and they come to steal that + jungle, that prolly means two heroes contesting your pull.. again free farm for your carry
Example you just gave Jakiro + pa vs Undying + timber, id block my hard camp being aware trying to contest their pulls there would kill me/pa and do exactly what i said above, pull to easy camp just like normal. Position yourself well and contest the easy camp cs if they go on me i'd run away, it's possible to die vs them but they would have to put in a lot of work for it meanwhile pa happily farming away
The problems start occurring when the 4 has a brain and literally body blocks the easy camp
I mean obviously there is nuance in the leeway of mistakes, and I’m telling you to intentionally pick absolutely garbage heroes, but it doesn’t matter that much in this bracket if your teammate picks a slightly worse or better hero, everyone on both sides make countless mistakes, enough to surpass acceptable margin of mistakes by a huge amount, but it doesn’t matter cuz shit doesn’t get punished and everyone’s making these mistakes. Just make fewer mistakes. A bad pick is not the big decider over playing the game better.
Also ursa/necrophos/clinks would win or do well against those heroes but honestly laning vs double melee with no lockdown shouldn’t be that hard if you pull and draw aggro. Undying falls off the map after minute 6, and timber saw can be dealt with by itemization and simply avoiding him on the map.
ty for adive on 1 melee and one ranged, ik about it but its very hard to perform. my pa carry free farming means nothing, what a wraith band gonna do vs timber lvl 3 undy lvl 2?
maybe if we are lucky we can take out the zombie who will just coem back with more mana leaving timber wit solo exp too. like reactive armor is very strong vs pa, sure i can nuke down some hp off him but he regenerates quite fast
if your carry gets his early game items sooner, he can go jungle at 6 sooner and still hit decent timings if the lane is too hard. also early stats are often the difference between winning and losing trades.
you're probably not going to dominate the lane but that shouldn't be an excuse to give up immediately. if you can get something out of a hard lane that you're meant to lose, and also not feed too many kills, that's considered a win.
but sure, go midas max arrow mirana and complain about your teammates being shit.
Yeah i dont play good currently for some reason matched with hidden pool idk why each game has been at least 2 premuted.
Always midas on any support hero when u get exort mid voker without map awareness going for midas just to send a message, its important
If your pos 5 wants to carry, then just pick support and let him carry. Whats so difficult?
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5394154516
3k piece of shit mid asks to last pick and picks a nerfed hero countered by their already picked Necrophos. I asked him what the fuck he was doing, "lEmMe YoU wIlL sEe NeGrO". All I saw is this failed abortion go 0-6 and abandon in shame while my Jugger dumbfuck fed and out of nowhere came to my lane just to go midas. With these imbecils there's nothing you can do in game, but after it you should track their IP and send killers to blow their asses up.
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what if i boost you with those imbeciles in your games? does that help you realize u are the problem and not them?
yeah mirana offlane was legit around 1-2 years ago, she still it but not one the core position though idk why u flame the offlane whether its core or support she has always belonged on that lane
in my experience as pos 5 i find jugg and pa pickers to be the worst to support. jugg is fine many times but never picked when its good.
omg, i have problems with everybody, everybody is a waste of cum, every body is a failed abortion, im great. look at me im legend 2 after 10k hours playing this game, its everybody else fault or my trash pc which put me in this low behavior score. looooooooooooook im a very nice guy. just look at my nicknames, im just low behavior cause of my trash pc.
im very mature when i call out others failed abortion in my games.
Man, just pull the creeps, make stacks, try to maintain the lane in a place your carry can farm, if it is not posible, just try to do wathever u think is the best in this moment, but do not ask for help from the winning lane, it will fuck both lanes if not done properly.
If i think my lane is fucked u just ask my sup to do stacks and try to help other lanes. Just accept the lost lane and try to get back into the game.
Still learning, if my tought process is wrong i appologize.
what you can do is create lobby and be only person in it then no one can make retard picks and u can play ur game happily :)
what i really dont apprectiate about dota is that everyone has opionion of whats good suppot hero yet they pick their core hero regardless of what the other team pciked
Why dont come talk about void who waste his ulti on none? Absolutely no one caught in it?
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You know these carry players who play certain heroes regardless of what the other team picks? These assholes have strong opinion when u pick hero they do not assume to habe pos 5 capability either.
Like how do you deal with situations when u know in advance u cant contribute anything to the lane more than continuesly feed in order for the carry to get half as many last hits he would get with a bette pick and u know afte game u will hear about your deaths too?
Like support roles arent bound to any lanes what i usually try to do is to force a trilane on enemies safe lane instead by trilaning the offlane. Making sure to kill the support who tps back and eventually the offlane supp on enemy tps to the safe instead.
Then i can tp to the safe lane for a 2vs 1 safe lane where u actually can pull lanes to deny offlaner experience at least.
When ever i do this i get huge criticism from the carry player meaning its my fault he didnt get his fucking wraith bands in time etc, how do you guys deal with this shit?
Like once i remember i pick jakiro safe they pick timber/undying and the fucker of course thinks pa is legit.