What u guys think of warlock 5? Persobally find it shit the hero if other team picks ispel the hero is useless in lane
Its not the hero its you. It varies from game to game. Mirana 4 is insane if you know how to use the hero. And obviously someone else also mentioned that qop is broken4 as well
im cringing people saying ogre is the best support.
ogre pos 5 is just as same as pudge pos 4, made for fatties on low mmrs to keep the game alive. stop pretending please!
^^elaborate on why pos 5 Ogre is bad, even tho I think Ogre core is much better especially when you're teamed up with imbecils you can't rely on. He's tanky af, can outzone enemy in lane or give kills, has a stun, a buff and amazing slow+dmg over time. He's so good he's a waste as pos 5 at best, much like Jakiro and Earthshaker
https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/meta
take a look at the data, till anshit, ogre is among top 4 picked heroes, till legend its among top 4 high winrate heroes, in legend its almost top 10 and higher than that he get vanished.
if u take a look at pudge its the same story, from 26% pickrate to 6% from 50% winrate to 44%.
why ogre is good on low brackets? cause recent changes benefits him, in low brackets games are long enough to a fat walking useless creep buy his midas @20 and benefit from it for the next 30 minutes of the game. nobody buys bkb so he can freely cast spells on cores.
but in real game of dota, what he will provide for his team? his W sucks, his Q cast range is bullshit. his W not scaling anymore and all braindead ppl i saw even in my games , maxing it first. 20->22->24->26% slow, wow thats crazy :))). the hero cant make any items till 30 minutes of the game cause he cant do any impact, yeah you are tanky for first minutes of the game but what next? u cant cast spells, your spells sucks balls, u cant farm your items.
only possible scenario which this hero might work is buffing slark/mk/ursa in lane. other than that i dont see anything special in this hero spells.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/858685788/matches?teammate_hero=ogre-magi&teammate_role_type=support&enhance=overview
u can look at how impactful ogre is in my games, im totally biased and it might affect the outcome of my games, but if u have better data we can discuss it too.
to me ogre players are fat stupid fucks who dont understand shit about this game.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5390552173 -> 27 min game 25 min midas, everybody clap for ogre
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5355922351 -> 31 min game 22 min midas, clap clap clap
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5377621488 -> 29 min game 26 min arcane boots, mana issues solved poggies
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5347012443 -> 18 min game 16 min gloves, poggies late game secured
in 90% of my games ogre has no impact compare to any other possible supports, literally garbage hero, yeah it might work if the player be a god, like a godlike pudge who land amazing hooks but in general the hero is popular among the braindead part of community just like pudge!
All supports get countered by bkb and lose impact mid game, I don't think that's a point you can make 'cause that depends on the bracket' s understanding of the game. If you check other supports' winrate in divine rank they all drop significantly, only Jakiro, CM and idk who else are around 52%, WD and disruptor have like 47%, Warlock and Dazzle 50% and so does Ogre. I mentioned the best supports in lower ranks right now. I think the only case in which Ogre loses his impact is when the team plays passively and/or falls behind from mid game on 'cause he's an aggressive hero and not really a defensive one. This meta promotes aggressiveness early game though.
thats alright, i dont expect sth valuable came out from you. at the end you are ogre/pudge picker yourself :)
like i dont know what to say, is it even worth the time i spending, is there any moment in your life that u felt being wrong? i doubt!
i give it another try this time and the outcome of it determines my behavior towards you. cause im actually pissed about ppl like you.
All supports get countered by bkb and lose impact mid game,really? for real? hmm let me just scroll down heroes.
bane, qop, bh, clock, mirana, phoenix, jakiro ok i stop and dont go further. these are all support heroes which they are all either have piercing spell immunity spell or scaling well into the game.
I don't think that's a point you can make 'cause that depends on the bracket' s understanding of the game.thats actually the point, yeah if u pick ogre in herald and buy midas @20 and use it for next 30 minutes u are an absolute beast in the 50 minute of the game. but u could just pick any other hero and be a beast earlier in that bracket. it actually shows the hero itself is a garbage like pudge and the bracket make him work. look at bane low winrate on herald and goes higher and higher till divine, why? cause the player skill determines the winrate not the fucking bracket.
its very serious and important what im saying here. just think about it.
u have 2 options to pick, ogre or bane. based on data ogre has lower winrate in high mmrs and higher in low mmrs and the bane is the opposite. so with considering the fact high mmr players are more skilled in playing these 2 heroes, what will u choose to pick? a hero who is basically only work in certain situations and highly related to a environment you playing or a hero which only requires skills to play? u wanna be a fucking crying whining bitch, picking ogre and crying about oh my team so bad, this environment sucks or pick a hero which make u win if u have the skill needed for it??? u are the only constant factor in games, u dont pick a fucking ogre pos 5 which only works in low brackets even tho u have the skill of a divine players.
midas almost never belong on carrythis meta and most certainly not on supports, unless u have qe invoker making one too!
You pick Ogre mostly for buff with Troll, Ursa, Luna (out of meta). But most of the time Io will do this job better.
Personaly I hate playing agaisnt a decent Kotl or Oracle. Jakiro really annoying, just ban Am and Jugger if u can.
Just when you think you can have a normal discussion Kowafailedabortion has to come out with insults, disgusting piece of shit good only at 1 hero. Reading the first line was enough to remind that you're a hopeless animal with the social skills of an autistic braindead monkey. Doesn't really matter about Ogre and shit tho just broke the pc out of rage fuck this game and fuck dogs like you, that shouting piece of shit from yesterday, russians and all the 80 IQ fucking dogs that ruin this fucking game. Hope you will all get fucking cancer and die from it
as intented, it was an intentional bait. u are so sad and miserable. its fucking internet and u think there is sth social in this forum. u are jsut sad. u living behind your pc. u can get what is best for you from it without gettign triggered. there is a lot of good points in that text but u cant, u are not even caring about it. u are just miserable and trash. u are just sicking attention. why not just move on from the first sentence and talk about the rest? its not real life conversation its internet. u can just ignore it like others. many called me ape, many insult me here, does it stop me from responding to their comments? does it stop me from reading their comments? NO, cause i have a healthy brain unlike u. i dont care what strangers thinks about me on retarded internet forum, im not insecure about it. but obviously u are just mental, u broke your pc? good, now go broke your neck too and end ur misery.
THERE IS ABSOLUTE NO HOPE FOR PERSON LIKE U
You have a healthy brain HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking delusional retard.
This excuse of it being the internet so all the imbecils can act out their being dogshit is one of the things that's ruining humanity. Learn how to fucking behave under normal conditions, animal. There's no good point in any of your dogshit replies cause you're a 1 hero dog, what fucking insight do you even wanna give. Talks about other peoples lives when it's clear he's a pathetic sad piece of shit himself. Ask your friend cpt. Keel what he says about you. Everyone knows it. Everyone. Speak for yourself you subhuman waste of cum, I made huge steps in my life in the past year and only now with quarantine I got stuck with this dogshit game again. Piece of shit even wrote "there's no hope to get better things don't change" in another thread and now as usual projects. You're the hopeless animal that will die fucking lonely just the way you deserve. After pc I'd gladly break your face but I'm afraid I'd make you more attractive.
God forbid you dealt with the truth for once in your life you fucking delusional unbearable dumbfuck. 1 hero piece of shit trying to school people about dota and insulting everyone for no reason. So glad you don't seem to even question yourself, you will spend your life as a miserable dog insulting the world to feel better, pathetic ape.
ogre super good with slark aswell, kinda saves the ogre while slark is benefitting alot from the ogre too!
@kowareta dude im playing on a surface pro, lowest settings, i dc when too many units on the map so it actually matters.
whats more interesting about this other retard is that he used to be higher mmr before, so the pc cant entirely be to blame
for sure i dont wanna help u but its kinda demoralizing from start when u have ign like yours @ scar, and u seem to be talking about social skills for that matter too lmao
From 2750 to 3560 in 1 week and 0 abandons. Not smooth path but playable games with casual ruiners on both sides. Numbers you can only dream of with that sub 50% winrate. But why do you talk like you know things you hopeless imbecil. Jumping from one detail to another just not to face the hugely miserable image of yourself you gave yesterday. Creeping in my profile looking for that midas in a 4v5 game, assuming bullshit on the conditions I play in. Are you done running from yourself? You absolute fucking suck major cocks and are a game ruining piece of shit. It's not that hard. In 5 and a half years of Dota I literally never had normal gaming conditions, left home for university and internet sucked balls, dcing every 10 min with 3 more flatmates, addition to that pc melted and I changed it, played with trash internet for 4 years and no audio at one point on the 2nd PC. Now Ive been playing for the past 1 and a half year on a pc is not even meant for gaming so imagine, it got old af pretty fast having to sustain running a game and started freezing continuously, get stuck in a point where the picking phase won't load but just stay with black screen. Internet now is better even tho I got huge ping spikes, but that's not game ruining or frequent. I have 1.7k single draft games, don't even want to imagine the amount of abandons I must have gotten cause of this trash pc situation. I'm a 4k player with no equipment who set their limit back when they played with 5ks and saw they were actually more efficient and overall better, simple as that. You imbecil yesterday called that game a hidden pool game where literally no one was flaming or ruining but you. IMAGINE CLIMBING FROM 2.1K TO 4.3K WITH R E A L HIDDEN POOL GAMES FOR YEARS, THAT PC AND THAT INTERNET. Not even in your worst nightmares, you wouldn't even reach 2k. Now if you're done trying to change subject and shift the attention from the fact that you're absolutely fucking scum we can move on.
@refiki
what are you even talknig about? i dont remember any pc related discussion here, if that matters I DONT SEE ANY REASON U PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME ON BROKEN PC IF U HAVE A HEALTHY BRAIN. myself experienced fps drops months ago and game was unplayable and i stopped playing the fucking game! its not that hard, u can just stop playing this fucking game if your pc cant handle it anymore!
@Kowid who was even talking to you, I was replying to this ape who's been jumping from one minor bullshit to the other, assuming stuff and shit just to avoid the monumentally embarrassing game from yesterday. This below 50% winrate ape right here. In case you didn't notice he's trying to square up vs me with you, "if we attack first they will eventually forget it was all about me being dogshit" lmao
I bet this spineless piece of shit acts the exact same way irl.
I can give you my favourite choices on both pos but i does not guarantee you the reliability of the heroes.
Pos 5: Jakiro, AA, Venge, Phoenix, Silencer, Bane
Pos 4: Mirana, Lina, BH, Sand King
PC bricked 3 weeks ago so i haven't played in a while, does undying still work?
undying is poopy imo. i remember the good old days playing undying 5, with boots and stick at 20 min just vibing. :(
Idk man, the only reason I haven't had a negative winrate on 725 was Undying so I'm curious about it :((
Only hero keeping my MMR afloat :(
literally subhuman pieces of garbage haha pudge picking slark demlib beta cuck simp
For the pos 5 pick something that has a long range and impactful low level spells like jakiro oracle wyvern disruptor and grimstroke. As a support you need to outlane and make the enemy use their regens as much as possible. And always remember to buy important items like glimmer mek urn arcane boots. Don't buy luxury items like aether lens tranquils, these are the common mistakes support players do. unless you have a utility cores like underlord etc.
For pos 4 if you think an offlaner can solo lane with a few levels you can get roamers like es bh tusk. if you think you think an offlaner cannot solo and need you for atleast 10 minutes then you can get rubick snap phoenix as these heroes have massive burst and killing potential in lane. Hope this helps!
i mean if you can win with undying then youre making it work, power to you. i dont like tho rn. but a lot of it comes down to how good you are or how you play it u know.
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What are the most reliability pos 4 and 5 ?