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General DiscussionSo Klippan you're the piece of shit that ruined my last game

So Klippan you're the piece of shit that ruined my last game in General Discussion
SLQ

    I'm not getting a ring of tarrasque and let it sit there in a slot before I maybe get a full tarrasque 30 minutes later, I get items I can build for the mid game and from which the entire team benefits when they get upgraded. I left tarrasque in 2k tbh unless I'm pushing extra early and semi-trolling with Centaur or going nonstop pushing/fighting early with Alchemist's gold advantage in the early game with radiance first. When you constantly force clashes in lane that regen is awesome and wand is good enough only for surviving, once you pop it there's another clash in which you have some mana but you're more squishy and have less hp so back to survival mode again. You go in one more time and they have what, a couple charges this time? It would be like you say if there were sporadic attempts at getting a kill with spamming 2nd in between said attempts. We can talk for days about this but thing is it wins me lanes and it wins me games way more than it loses them.

    Shou

      how is this still going on lmao, honestly you should ignore klippan he is dumb and wont change. maybe you wont change either but even if you are toxic at least you aren't an incel.

      SLQ

        Haha idk
        Argument switched to strategy and items so it's always cool no matter who the other person is

        Shou

          if im being honest, abt that bristle game, you don't need pipe, but more than that i dont think pipe is that good anymore, even in good pipe games you sometimes dont want to buy it because its just too expensive. like that game i think medallion/solar and halberd are both way better, against physical damage, and halberd is just a really strong item rn. bristle can build aura's but he is more about being a tank and a damage dealer/pseudo carry kinda deal. like if you vanguard medallion halberd bkb ac abyssal solar, in some order, you would be extremely hard to kill but you would also just destroy the squishy heroes on the enemy side.

          Moderate Biscuit

            what a bunch of subhuman beta cuck simp demlib trump supporting idiots lol ez gg no re

            check out my twitch channel at fuckyou.ttv please i need the attention quarantine is killing us all and a hoax

            flat earth is true

            Moderate Biscuit

              Am I doing this right? Am I hip and cool now?

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                The ring of tarrasque is like a situational bracer as offlaner,, if the issue is that u will get fullslotted and not make heart just sell it.
                Nothing wrong in my opinion of going pipe, shaker 4, lina 5, wk radiance, dp crypt swarm, mirana starstorm arrow they all have plenty of magic dmg.
                The only reason u shouldnt buy a pipe is because noone is playing together this game. Stoem is going for solo kills, im afk and gave up. Cores main dmg i physical and thats why u need to prioritze armor first which u clearly didnt. Thats the reason u went from snowballing 5/1 to 5/8 because u wasted gold on inappropriate items.
                Halberd vs wk eh?

                Given we would have actually played together id probably go maybe a soul ring -> phase -> hood -> blade mail -> pipe or ac

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                SLQ

                  @:pensive: how do you survive a fight vs Shaker, Lina and all the other magical dmg without hood though. Also no extra magic resistance for tanky heroes anymore. About halberd I agree it was good that game, not sure about medallion/solar cause I see it more like a "let's pick someone off" type of item, used mostly offensively and/or to melt specific cores, like Alchemist, Phoenix or Doom. I don't find it very useful when enemy has team fight potential but it might be a misconception I have.

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                  Justin Weaver

                    Honestly, you guys should stop this. You're arguing over one game. Lemme repeat, one fucking game. Everybody has those games in which they feel like walking down mid and destroying items. But that just has to end after that particular game.

                    Do the forums have mods at all? Do they have anything better to do during lockdown anyway!

                    kowareta

                      ^you are a mod in my eyes senpai. punish them plz

                      SLQ

                        But we're not fighting anymore, mom!

                        @Klippan soulring I think is a waste considering how I play, that cd is way too long and I'd rather go for mangos, phase idk cause I still have in mind that aura-carrier and hero-slower with 1st skill spams so team can hit the enemy instead of a more carry-like BB. Considering I was almost playing alone I should have built and thought more selfishly though, that's true, also the hood into pipe thing.

                        Justin Weaver

                          ^ you're a retarded toxic shit in my eyes, now fuck off 😑

                          kowareta

                            dodged

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                              @pensive you lack the ability to actually think for yourself what is good and what isnt, you are more of a person who just accept that things are at a certain but never understand why. when you try a hero i bet u just flat out look what a pro player made a certain game and not thinking beyond why he went for the items they did. teammates items matter, enemies heroes/items matter. your reasoning is garbage and it doesnt really add any value of discussion cuz in the end your suggestions are just made by personal experiences in certain specific games. just because pipe has gotten more expensive doesn't make it a bad item, especially now that for instance heroes does not passively gain magic resistance with strength gains anymore. even though pipe says it gives 30% magic resistanve it is not entirely true because of magic resistance scaling. the hero is now receiving more closer to 30% than ever before.
                              also factor in that intelligene no longer gives passively spell amplification anymore so the pipe is blocking more magic dmg than ever.

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                                just trash talking a bit to him/her/it. i really loled when i saw the thread start and i actually hope whatever that is calmed down a bit, i for sure have.

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                                  can u guys explain to me why u thin hh is good on bristleback that game? 1. he has no lfeiesteal so no amp, 2. noone really to disarm beside wk but he will reincarniate and deal dmg even though u have hh

                                  Shou

                                    hood is still good but pipe is just giga expensive. i mean you need bkb this game anyway imo, and pipe is just a completely defensive item, i think bristle struggles if you build too hard in the tank area and then have like 0 damage. and anyway shaker's magic damage isnt really significant enough to factor in, lina is a good enough reason to go hood but i dont know if you really need a full pipe. like come mid to late game, most of the damage will be from dp which is a mix of physical + magic from spirit siphon, and wk which is almost all physical. like maybe you go treads vanguard hood halberd bkb ac abyssal, but i think completing pipe is kinda lame especially if you need to scale. bb going aura team items is fine if you know you have a carry to scale late and you can just go mode:team and be little useless lategame and be ok with that. but you have bs carry, you're probably the best scaling carry on your team, in terms of traditional carry. so i think going right click scaling is better this game.

                                    i have built pipe on heroes after the nerfs and im not saying its dogshit every game, its just a team item that you buy that doesnt scale well. thats all. if you dont think its your job to scale then you can afford to buy a pipe, but if you do need to scale, and against dp wk i think you do, then pipe sucks. its not a selfish item.

                                    bristle is also a hero that uses other items to scale REALLY well because of warpath and his passive. but in a game i was playing as centaur i thought pipe would be good here because i didn't think i needed to scale too hard, and i don't think centaur needs other items to scale anyway. idk why klippan is so one dimension in his thinking, when did i say pipe is always bad, i just think its not that good anymore and worse, obviously you can still buy it and win games, its not the worst item in dota.

                                    in regards to halberd, its just super good just based on the stats. like the active this game is fine right, their only right clicker is wk. but it gives evasion, a lot of hp for their burst, status resistance for their chain stun, and amps your regen, i mean if your allies buy a vlads/mek/hotd it gains value, if you pick up vamp fangs it gains value, if you choose to go satanic it gains value. its a good scaling item. its buildup is good, it just gains stats out of nowhere with no recipe (just like blademail, wonder why that item is also good rn). just buy combining the item, you magically get 4 more strength, 6% more regen and heal amp, 4% more status resist, and 10% more evasion. its just effecient.

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                                      pos 3 doesnt bristleback hardly ever buy bkb and most certainly not in a game like this, his job in tf is to absorb dmg and hopefully turn his back on the enemies. how isnt shakers magic damage significant to factor in? he most likely blinks in unexpected and then u have an aura with magic resistance and 30% magic resistance on yourself.
                                      a pipe in a gamefield where lots of teamfights with ltos of magic dmg is going on is still very good. it blocks 400? dmg actively while providing magic resistance aswell. just compare to a red booster costing 1,1k gold giving 250 hp. you can block up to 2k dmg with that item.
                                      i already mentioned starstorm, dp crypt & syphone, wk radi, lina spells all can be blocked, for sure es ult whihc is intitation toool in tf u prob wont be able to get off the pipe in time but it still gives magic resistance to it.
                                      the question is not if pipe is good or bad, it is just a matter of how the game develops and if tf are taken place go for pipe, if everyone is playign solo, probably not.

                                      the wk was shut down due to techis and bb actually intitally doing their job. his main dmg this game is up to 250 dps magic dmg. the skeletons doesnt survive the bb and not storm either for that matter.
                                      for what reason do you want her to go for a vanguard to make aby?
                                      hes playing pos 3 bristleback not pos 1, his role isnt to make a bkb, abby and go for right clicking dmg this game im sorry to say. her role is simply to survive, to be able to overextend and create space for the struggling storm and bloodseeker.
                                      halberd has good stats but its oot really an item u go for bristleback in terms of the stats. bb most certainly get countered by a legion/ursa/slark and is purchased mainly to disarm and evade attacks from the carry. because after all, the pos 3s main role is to shut down enemy pos 1.

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                                      Shou

                                        shaker only deals large damage with echoslam, otherwise he is more about stun. it doesnt matter if youre offlane bristleback, you're still a bristleback and you still want to scale. every reason you stated to buy pipe is just better justification for bkb in a game against huge amounts of chain stun, and dp with a 6 second silence and spirit siphon that deals percentage damage. you dont care as much about the damage block as you do abt not being stunned for an eternity. if bb is shutting down wk, then its all the more reason to go greedier and scale harder, because you have a strong early lead and dont have to sacrifice your scaling potential to buy an item that hinders your scaling. you're only objectively looking at what pipe does and not how this affects the game, or the cost, or other alternative. yes it blocks magic damage, but there are a lot of other things to look at when assessing an item. not to say pipe lost you the game, i dont even think its the worst item you couldve bought, i just dont think its optimal, and it messes with your build and timing. you think roles are too static, bb isnt just a tank hero, if bb doesnt have scaling items he just takes a bit longer to die, he gets ignored in fights, he doesnt like contribute. sure sometimes you have to compromise on your item build, and scale less and buy the pipe and buy other items to scale, but i dont think you should do that this game. blood is not really a reliable carry imo especially not in this game against tanky heroes like dp/wk. so instead whats the issue with you buying abyssal ac bkb halberd and just carrying instead. the pos 3's job isnt to shut down 1, he just lanes vs the 1. the roles purpose is not something that static, it depends on the game. everything halberd offers this game is valuable, even the active on wk or mirana or lina. people dont buy blademail just for the active and people dont buy halberd just for the active, the same reason why blink dagger is less good than it used to be because it only has an active and doesnt give you any stats. if storm and bs are struggling, and bb has a good game, then why on earth would you want to sacrifice your game in order to help your other cores, when you are the strongest scaling core in the game anyway?

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                                          bs is shutting down dps exorcism, gives opportunity to just back off the fight until the cancer is over.
                                          if you want to play real greedy bristleback u can play him on other lanes aswell, traditionally farm priority should exists. perhaps not in this mmr bracket
                                          im quite confident in that if she made different build, she would be able to pressure radiant jungle harder and leave me chance of comeback.

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                                          ScaredyCat

                                            The opponent quite clearly has the early game advantage in this case, so with all heroes except WK that is able to output huge amounts of magic damage, a pipe is a a must. Pipe should be farmed as early as possible. If you looked at the stats at the end of the game, it will tell you how much damage you received from physical, magical as well as pure. If you received more magic than physical, you should be focusing on magic resistance.

                                            Now, assuming you are losing the early game, how do you secure farm? Definitely not through an item like midas, it would only accelerate your loss. You need to push with smoke. Ward the creep waves, so that you can farm there, and get your allies to help you escape from the side lanes. If you lose out on the jungle, then it cant be help, but the creep waves you must at least secure some last hits.

                                            Lifesteal mask is suboptimal in the face of stuns. There is a vambrace and an illusionist cape which bristle could have equipped. Lesh should have taken the telescope.

                                            Shou

                                              I mean it’s not even a good bloodseeker game and the hero itself is bad, I would much rather the Bristle realize that he should be carrying rather than the bs.

                                              ScaredyCat

                                                It is the entire team's responsibility to cover their weak areas, I mean come on, all 5 should share the blame. All 5 are just as bad, the lesh is probably the worst.

                                                SLQ

                                                  ^I wish you all the ruiners, griefers and afkers in the world as I guess it would make no difference for you in game.

                                                  free mmr wen

                                                    the real question is how long can u keep this thread alive since u havbe 0 life and 0 life*0life=0**2 Life and if i take in consideration that your brain mass = ( ). i would say forever ?

                                                    SLQ

                                                      My question is why don't you end yours?

                                                      free mmr wen

                                                        probably cause i have a perspective in life ? unlike u ?

                                                        SLQ

                                                          But you'll never reach it, just end it.

                                                          Lets do Science

                                                            christ man you need help.

                                                            SLQ

                                                              Sure, a lot of us do.

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                                                                if you want less ruiners start by laying better, if i saw an opportunity to win the game id continue to play but i just didnt

                                                                SLQ

                                                                  If I want less ruiners I just have to get the new pc going and stop abandoning. Now it's my fault 'cause I wasn't good enough to convince you to try to win lmao is this even real life

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                                                                    if u were good enough u could have remained on the offlane and left me top jungle, in an eventual later game the wk would catch up and we wouldnt be able to kill him, 2 jungle camps every minute wouldnt be enough for me to get to the point where i could deal with him, sorry!

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                                                                    Shou

                                                                      imagine being someone with double my games but sub 50% winrate and saying "im so good that i am the perfect judge of the gamestate so i know exactly when its ok to stop trying." like lmfaO

                                                                      what a dumb fuckin excuse for giving up, if you want to give up just say i didnt feel like playing anymore.

                                                                      Altaire

                                                                        Someone give me the match id in particular, I want to see wtf happened that ignite 4 pages rant across days

                                                                        Edited: I didn't recognize it was on the opening post, downloading

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                                                                        Gazz   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                          How the hell you apes get below 9k behaviour score? I'm 10k maximum my entire life. Ok maybe except those unfortunate dc from black out (but again ill reach 10k in no time)

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                                                                            i simply just ahve the urge to talk back

                                                                            Shou

                                                                              idk man its really not hard to be toxic and still have above at least 9k

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                                                                                what do you mean by toxic? like u can say fuck ur mom fuck ur sis noone cares but once u get the retard to realize why hes wrong hes getting mad and reporting you