You should learn how to play QWERDF.
Legacy is simply just inefficient regardless of how comfortable you are with it. Your finger is never going to move faster across the keyboard as compared to the key beside.
well that isnt answering me question, and i know better off my hands speed is not the problem here am used to invo keys for many years
pretty much what everyone else said, nobody is going to force you to change to QWERDF but we also are not going to bullshit you and tell you that legacy keys are optimal
@ wizard is that why all the best solo mid players in the world still plays with legacy ?
No they do because they prefer QWER on their items maybe? There are also a lot of players playing with QWER so your arguement is invalid.
@DodgeRate
I believe the most efficient way to adress this is to post on the Valve Dota2 forums.
So far I did not discover any workaround, it might be something deep in the game that cant be corrected with a console command but from Valve.
Not sure if you made a post there but it's worth a try
people are always scared to change hotkeys, when in reality it takes less than 10 games to get used to...
i wonder what most people use and which one is most efficient?
Yes, this bug has ruined many of my games. I usually occurs when I try to Blast with refresher combos.
Many small invoker bugs have been reportd to Valve, but it only affects a small percentage of players so they just don't care.
There is no fix, but I did reduce the amount of occurrence dramatically by doing the following two things:
1. Invoke slower
2. Re-install entire Dota
if your stupid brain cant fucking get used to a change in hotkeys to QWERDF then maybe you should stop fucking playing invoker.
that is a unfair question because there are pro's change their role often. A good chunk of a the pro players can be considered 'mid' players but they can also be considered position 1 or 3 depending on their comp. Cloud 9 plays invoker in the safe lane often.
"Yes, this bug has ruined many of my games. I usually occurs when I try to Blast with refresher combos.
Many small invoker bugs have been reportd to Valve, but it only affects a small percentage of players so they just don't care.
There is no fix, but I did reduce the amount of occurrence dramatically by doing the following two things:
1. Invoke slower
2. Re-install entire Dota"
first of... why the fuck would you ON PURPOSE keep playing with legacy keys when you literally just admitted to it ruining some of your games, when you can just fucking EASILY change to QWERDF.. it would take a few games to get used to yes but the human brain is pretty fucking adaptive.
second... 'there is no fix' oh my fucking god, THERE IS A FIX; ITS CALLED STOP FUCKING USING LEGACY. holy SHIT why the -fuck- would you on purpose keep using legacy when you know full well changing to QWERDF would sort your issues???
you stupid hipster prick.
legacy is not better. I understand that people do not want to change what they are use to but telling new players that legacy is more effective is completely wrong.
^ i agree with Sampson 100%
there is no reason that a new player should try to get used to a convoluted system of hotkeys instead of a cross-hero standardized one. there is absolutely no way in which legacy is better, especially considering if you REALLY wanted on QWERTY you can just manually edit the hotkeys to whatever the fuck you want to reduce total hand movement while team fighting and such.
what hand movement lol ? all keys on legacy are designed so u don't have to move ur hand at all lol
its the convoluted system that had to be adopted for heroes to function on the wc3 client
It's actually the stupid WC3 system that had to do with the spells' names (at least most of the time) so the hotkey of the spell would be one of it's letters, generally the first one.
I agree with vaikiss (altho there are exceptions like cold snap being on y...)
And someone who played d1 for so long being able to keep using the legacy was amazing.
And as rts player utilizing the whole keyboard is the norm.
yes utilizing the whole keyboard for games like starcraft and warcraft 3 when you control dozens and dozens of units is indeed the norm. in dota 2 you only control 1(most of the time), why the fuck would you need an entire keyboard to use a single fucking unit you spastic idiot. learn to fucking move on and adapt.. you legacy hipsters are really fucking tiring.
I care a shit ton if you find me annoying. No one forces you to do jack shit.
@Sampson thats purely individual. Saying that most effective button for item hotkey is space, due to its size, is completely arguable. Same as this. If people are used to it (even more so by using the same setup for years prior) the most effective way for them will, in fact, be the one they are used to the most.
@xan just because someone is better at legacy than at something he's never seriously tried doesn't mean it's more effective.
If you take the same person, and get him used to both styles, one will likely be more effective. You can be VERY good at legacy, that does not mean it is better. For the vast majority of Dota 2 players, legacy is likely harder and clunkier due to the number of keys involved.
Take into account the undisputed fact that legacy is buggy, there has been posted no reason not to switch to the version which has no bugs. Other than "I'm used to legacy" of course, which is another way of saying "I'm too lazy."
Decide for yourself which is more practical, and most importantly, faster. Speed is crucial in dota 2.
As far as I know, for those wondering Legacy Keys are:
Q - Quas
W - Wex
E - Exort
R - Invoke
Y - Cold Snap
V - Ghost Walk
G - Ice Wall
C - EMP
X - Tornado
V - Ghost Walk
Z - Alacrity
T - Sun Strike
F - Forge Spirit
D - Chaos Meteor
B - Deafening Blast
Another limitation of Legacy is you tie up a ton of keys which may be wanted for other binds.
Yes, there are downsides, with invoker in particular.
That 'lazy argument' is flawed.
I could as well call others lazy for not learning more complexed legacy. I dont.
And no, you can be just as fast and efficient as using whole keyboard as opposed to qwerty setup.
And i had 8 years of wc3 to test it.
i had enough years on dota1 of invoker to know that knowing exactly where you have to press on keyboard is faster than having to remind if your spell is on d or f and pressing it, even if you have to move your finger a bit more.
However for this, you need not to change your keyboard for a long time. legacy can be faster, as it is a never changing key for invoker, while the one with two key will only be faster if you always invok your spell in the same order, which is not an optimal way to play invoker.
Reached the point where I can play with legacy better than you can wtih qwer whatever. So does it really matter? No.
I'm technically praising you Legacy guys;
if you're fast on Legacy, you can be faster on QWERDF.
:|
I don't care how fast you can move your fingers, you're not crossing 10 buttons faster than a button beside. Thats plain physics.
I still use Legacy Keys. I played WC3 Dota from 2004-2012 and I'm pretty much incapable of switching. I've tried a few times but it's fruitless at this point. I can't find a perfect analogy but it feels really wrong, something like switching writing hands after writing with one hand for your entire life. Yeah, you could probably do it, but it would be an unnecessary pain. I can't tell you half the hotkeys on legacy yet my fingers find them instantly.
It's all about comfort and muscle memory. Technically in Starcraft, something like the Grid layout option in SC2 would have been optimal, all keys were closer to together and you would rarely have to stray beyond the QWERASDFZXCV range. But very few players used it because of comfort with the older style of hotkeys.
If you are starting, there is no reason to use Legacy as it's sole purpose to appease older Dota players who don't want to switch, but I know I would be crawling out of my skin if I had to switch to QWER on any hero now.
actually like matrice said, if its one hero that gains benefits from using legacy, it would be invoker
but eh, it's a lot more than 10 games to get used to
the longer you practice something, the more likely it's going to become second nature to you
which is generally what happens with people who still use legacy
no doubt, that certain combos like fist/chains is definitely harder (T/C rather than W/E)
but still possible
and like few others stated, trying to switch is really only "better" in the long run
I dont know why people get bother because i dont want to play qwer ( not me in particular but all others) its an implemented system that am using (legacy) and i think specially on invoker legacy is better because of the fact that each spell has a certain button, and not having 2 buttons that keep changing i dont think its fast enough , so playing other heros on qwer is easy even though i dont do ot but i wouldnt mind doing it, but specially invoker , invoker is more effecient while playing on legacy, and am not saying this to convince anyone, those who play legacy on invoker will understand.
@Yoshi thanks i will try to go to valve dota 2 forums.
@PenguinPower am not sure what skullduggery is.
@forever red i dont know why you speak in that language, but usually those who speak with curses have either a weak conversation or those who knows nothing at all.
wait so on the legacy keys you hit one button to combine all the elements for a spell then invoke? Instead of a combo of quas, wex, exort charges? That sounds easier tbh, you only need to memorize 5-6 keys versus 4 keys plus combos.
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Does anyone play legacy and tried to play with invoker? this bug has been for quiet a while where invoker spells get bugged using legacy they wont click it happens to me alot and i cant play with (qwer) and d f for skills any idea how to fix it?