Nerf his base attack speed and you solve a ton of issues. Can't utterly crush you during omnilash with auto attacks, reduces his dmg without nerfing his other stats, you can keep the crit where it is. I'd have to see some math on how it affects omnilash at normal 1.7 but 1.6 or 1.7 BAT would probably be fine.
I dont get how you can complain so much about jugger, when heroes like void and slark are far more imbalanced (at least in pubs). Even last pick heroes like meepo and brood are 10x worse.
Yes, jugger's ult is very strong against most heroes, but can be countered in many ways: blinks, force, ghost, euls, manta, invis and grouping up. Some may not always work, but no doom or void would ever swap his ult with a jugger. An offlane puck or qop works great compared to most current meta offlaners.
@topic: Imo jugger's biggest strength is his versatility. He can roam, offlane, safe lane and even mid well. Healing ward is great for pushes and rosh. Want to push and finish early? Consider agha for the stats and lower cooldown. Want to farm? Go mom and/or maelstrom.
wat abt the battlefury build? I was a fan of the aghs scepter rush, but battlefury looks great too, solving mana problems much better, and being a good investment for late game.
its an alright item but juggernaut really shines in the mid game, going items that give even better midgame usually end up being more useful.
super lategame juggernaut isnt exactly amazing, you're better off picking a hero that does better lategame if you want to build battlefury. if you want to build battlefury you also have to get a few attackspeed items to actually get some cleave done, since the actual omnislash doesnt cleave, but rather the attacks between the jumps, thats 1 battlefury, 2 mjollnirs and boots, 2 slots for damage items isnt very good.
edit: and you might as well just get a maelstrom to farm jungle earlygame :)
you guys think too much about item efficiency instead of efficient playstyle, skill and approach. imo
I think it is connected.
Is the play-style not more efficient if new items come out right when you need them?
Btw... we all know this hero is getting nerfed.
Question is how.
prob less starting armor or lower str gain or loweer initial hp or lower initial dmg
Valves nerfing guide to hero, -1 armor, YEYI problem solved.
Nerf his base attack speed and you solve a ton of issues. Can't utterly crush you during omnilash with auto attacks, reduces his dmg without nerfing his other stats, you can keep the crit where it is. I'd have to see some math on how it affects omnilash at normal 1.7 but 1.6 or 1.7 BAT would probably be fine.
^ no valve dsnt undo there buffs, because that will look like they made a mistake, they have to nerf something else.
omnislash is way too strong i kill offlaners at 800 hp or some shit
I dont get how you can complain so much about jugger, when heroes like void and slark are far more imbalanced (at least in pubs). Even last pick heroes like meepo and brood are 10x worse.
Yes, jugger's ult is very strong against most heroes, but can be countered in many ways: blinks, force, ghost, euls, manta, invis and grouping up. Some may not always work, but no doom or void would ever swap his ult with a jugger. An offlane puck or qop works great compared to most current meta offlaners.
@topic: Imo jugger's biggest strength is his versatility. He can roam, offlane, safe lane and even mid well. Healing ward is great for pushes and rosh. Want to push and finish early? Consider agha for the stats and lower cooldown. Want to farm? Go mom and/or maelstrom.
PICK DOOM
wat abt the battlefury build? I was a fan of the aghs scepter rush, but battlefury looks great too, solving mana problems much better, and being a good investment for late game.
its an alright item but juggernaut really shines in the mid game, going items that give even better midgame usually end up being more useful.
super lategame juggernaut isnt exactly amazing, you're better off picking a hero that does better lategame if you want to build battlefury. if you want to build battlefury you also have to get a few attackspeed items to actually get some cleave done, since the actual omnislash doesnt cleave, but rather the attacks between the jumps, thats 1 battlefury, 2 mjollnirs and boots, 2 slots for damage items isnt very good.
edit: and you might as well just get a maelstrom to farm jungle earlygame :)
i like madness followed by bf
probably the best way to go if you go bfury
i dont see how this hero is imba
its not about not being able to kill him. Its about the hero winning games relatively ez
BUMP FOR NEW PATCH.
How is this building working for you guys after the nerfs?
I have noticed the littttttle bit of extra squishyness early game.. but I also play like a loose canon.. so yeah.
cant tell any diffrence
edit: then again, i also played with 3k friends