^I'm a troll not a bully, there is a slight difference.
Had this argument like 3 pages ago and SayingPleaseHelps made some jokes about me as well, I even said at a point that this was becoming pure bullying and not trolling which was not going the right way. You are welcome for the re-collection :)
Edit : REAL LAST POST BEFORE CLOSING OF THE TOPIC PLEASE REMEMBER ME
They wont do anything, i doubt there even are any active mods here. They probably noticed that moderation of forums correlates with a decrease of their user base.
to be fair i don't even care too much, he's the one who looks like a retard.
Come on, you can do better than that! Victim-blaming, thats getting quite old at this point.
Yeah, it truly is quite immature to discuss potential ways to talk back to abusers, but I for some reason don't feel too bad about it.
I mean, I should be a mature man and just shank you irl, right? Being unstable with developmental issues I might actually do it.
To come back to the topic, her last games in low prio I presume are a good example of 1k gaming: losing as high skill cap pick like invoker to a leshrac which is low skillcap.
"i landed all my combo and i still die? you guys are hacking right?" XDDDDDD I guess she was drunk.
yeah i was drunk and it was low prio so we were all just messing around and trying to tilt the other team aha
Yeah its unfortunate, I contacted KawaiiSocks but he didn't respond yet, and Lawliepop, which ghosted me :thonk:
Literally nobody wants the thread closed. I certainly dont because its very interesting to me. Wish you would migrate back to you rubbish copypsta thread instead of trying to get mine shut down thanks.
Should have been careful when chatting with the likes of OP. You may want to look up Streisand effect and come to the obvious conclusion that the best way to have them "unpublicized" is to laugh it up a bit, accept that you looked like a prime moron based on them and therefore drain anyone's interest in bringing them up ever again.
Or you can keep whining. Does wonders for you credibility.
Except I didn't look like a moron, not the way I see it. I consulted somebody in a vulnerable position, who was without prior experience of being actually bullied. A private conversation almost always looks embarrassing when publicized.
And by the way you should start switching words up with synonims, at least - you keep using the same punchlines and generic comebacks. If you're so committed to bullying somebody (or should we say, practicing verbal debate in english) at least put some effort, or you're gonna be used to wipe the floor with.
Hey folks, this thread was brought to my attention as being pretty toxic, and I agree that it's getting pretty ugly. I do like the discussion that was happening in previous pages though in regards to the difference in skill brackets though, so I'm going to leave the thread be for now. I'll be checking back in, and if the petty bickering is still going on, I'll be locking the thread. Play nice.
Dunno, last pages are kinda tame, the worst stuff was like 5-7 pages ago. If not for ppl whining about bringing authority down on the most active substantial thread in the entire forum because they are losing the arguments last pages would have been be outright tranquil.
People throwing rocks back and forth and i think parma kinda likes the attention, i bet alot of fuckboys add her on steam and give her arcanas. Thats why the other woman got jealous and want to shut the thread down.
Me im just a outsider popping in once in a while to see how this thread evolves.
Thats why the other woman got jealous and want to shut the thread down.
I actually have higher net worth on my steam account overall than Parma just saying
If not for ppl whining about bringing authority down on the most active substantial thread in the entire forum because they are losing the arguments last pages would have been be outright tranquil.
Ironic considering the entire thread involves everyone throwing rocks as if its a battle royale game plus under the mindset of it being a free for all solo gamemode. I wasn't even in the fray to begin with for the record, let's just say I'm a... lawful good person in terms of alignment and I want to serve some justice and give em what for would be a better description
People throwing rocks back and forth and i think parma kinda likes the attention, i bet alot of fuckboys add her on steam and give her arcanas. Thats why the other woman got jealous and want to shut the thread down.
An interesting theory...
Hey folks, this thread was brought to my attention as being pretty toxic, and I agree that it's getting pretty ugly. I do like the discussion that was happening in previous pages though in regards to the difference in skill brackets though, so I'm going to leave the thread be for now. I'll be checking back in, and if the petty bickering is still going on, I'll be locking the thread. Play nice.
1k games aren't harder than 3k games.
I would honestly say that the sayingpleasehelps guy needs to be moderated as opposed to the thread. Wherever the conversation hasnt been civil its because of his instance of being a petty troll as opposed to a decent person.
Wherever the conversation hasnt been civil its because of his instance of being a petty troll
There is an alternative opinion here - You have been a petty liar as opposed to a decent person. And petty liars are bad judges of who is a decent person and who isn't since their own judgement is clouded by internalized acceptance of petty lies. How about you actually present an argument, not just your opinion, in support of your original post? It's been 33 pages already.
There was plenty of examples of me providing an argument and evidence earlier (if you were capable of reading) :P
Considering I have been in shared accomodation for 3 years and have always worked in service based jobs I have developed quite a knack for character judgement and last time I checked people who needlessly insult and troll others on the internet tend not to be decent people.
Also I dont know what this rubbish about internalised petty lying is all about. I dont think I have lied about anything much in this thread tbh lol
I couldnt be bothered lol. Was tilted from the game before and the Earth spirit flamed me from the game started, refused to do anything and then decided to ditch my lane after about 3 minutes. Asked for the witch doctor to come top and he told me to fuck off. Game was obviously lost within about 5 minutes so I decided that I would leave instead of wasting my time trying to carry 4 shitheads.
Mhm. Game was obviously lost in your eyes, coinsidering you're not much higher than 1k if at all. More competent player would've won that game easily, esp. with Luna, coinsidering that your team actually tried to win, sadly they didn't have their pos1 (you)
I'll even say that legit low 3k MMR player would've won that game with ease, coinsidering that your team actually wasn't as bad as you think.
How do you mange to lose mid lane to Drow? The only thing I can imagine happening is not paying atention on where Mirana is, so you got arrowed cuz of poor map awarness / decison making.
Seems like your attidude haven't changed at all. Pretty sad. Some people never change I guess.
At this rate I doubt you will get out of 1k mmr by the end of 2018..
I honestly dont know why this game parsed that as a lost mid. I died once in lane to a rotation and I out last hit and denied the drow in lane. I lost my lane after about 10 minutes anyway though because they pushed 5 through mid because the side lanes lost so badly because I had 4 shitters on my team. Considering I am 1850 mmr this thing about me not being much about 1k is clealy false since I have almost double 1k. And why is it a race to get out of 2k before the end of 2018? Im not even going to be playing much because I will be celebrating christmas with my friends. Not everyone is depressing enough to waste away their holidays playing video games xd
Considering I am 1850 mmr this thing about me not being much about 1k is clealy false since I have almost double 1k.
This sounds like you are proud of your current MMR and you should not be. 1.8k is pretty much piss easy, and the fact you've moved up in MMR doesn't mean you will keep climbing at the same rate. As I said, you might be a bit above 1k, but regardless of that, you ain't much higher. Anyone telling you otherwise is just either trying to get under your pants or he simply never seen a vagina in his life, so, pretty much any chance to have a connection with a female would be a success.
And why is it a race to get out of 2k before the end of 2018? Im not even going to be playing much because I will be celebrating christmas with my friends. Not everyone is depressing enough to waste away their holidays playing video games xd
Why not? What having friends/social life has anything to do with playing Dota 2 and grinding? Unless you're paying bills playing video games, there's no such thing as not enough time for Dota 2. Contrary to popular belief, you can still have social life and play video games if it's just a hobby. On the other hand, people trying to elaborate what are they going to do in upcoming days/weeks sound fishy to say at least. If you're going to celebrate christmas (which is weird, because if I'm not mistaken you're an atheist) do so, you doing exactly what you've said above doesn't mean you don't have enough time for Dota 2. It just sounds lame, tbh.
Also, being depressive is not a choice, and the way you talk about it you certainly make it sound like one. Also, do I even have to mention that it has nothing to do with video games?
curious, do u mass buy clothes u'll never wear with the intention of immediately selling them to thirsty neckbeards if they're that profitable
Actual clothing irl? Ive sold some stuff but I dont literally go to the shop with the intention of buying stuff to sell to others for a profit
This sounds like you are proud of your current MMR and you should not be. 1.8k is pretty much piss easy, and the fact you've moved up in MMR doesn't mean you will keep climbing at the same rate. As I said, you might be a bit above 1k, but regardless of that, you ain't much higher. Anyone telling you otherwise is just either trying to get under your pants or he simply never seen a vagina in his life, so, pretty much any chance to have a connection with a female would be a success.
Never said I was proud to be a 1.8k, just pointing out the fact that I am isnt compatible with you claiming I am a 1k. And when I can be bothered to play solo ranked I still win the majority of my games, albeit slowly lately cause my behaviour score has decreased to a C like it was when I created this thread.
You really believe my gender has anything to do with what people tell me regarding my mmr? I have had people who dont even know what gender I am tell me im high 2k/3k so that seems legit to me...
hy not? What having friends/social life has anything to do with playing Dota 2 and grinding? Unless you're paying bills playing video games, there's no such thing as not enough time for Dota 2. Contrary to popular belief, you can still have social life and play video games if it's just a hobby. On the other hand, people trying to elaborate what are they going to do in upcoming days/weeks sound fishy to say at least. If you're going to celebrate christmas (which is weird, because if I'm not mistaken you're an atheist) do so, you doing exactly what you've said above doesn't mean you don't have enough time for Dota 2. It just sounds lame, tbh.
Also, being depressive is not a choice, and the way you talk about it you certainly make it sound like one. Also, do I even have to mention that it has nothing to do with video games?
What? The fact that I am agnostic has nothing to do with my choice to celebrate xmas, nowadays its more of a celebration of friendship, family and giving than it is about religion. And playing more than 4 or 5 dota games in a day isnt compatible with living a normal life imo sorry.
How about you reply to her, not to me. My comment is a waste of space that doesn't state anything of meaning.
Her words kinda hurt, but it's true, most of us dota players(and pretty much all other serious gamers) are not exactly ordinary humans in terms of our habits... If Vertoxity chooses Dota over drugs, that's the absolute best case scenario.
Social life, work, studies, gaming? these 4 dont all fit, unless you don't sleep... Perhaps if youve graduated already, and you dont have a time-consuming job, then it works oout.
Never said I was proud to be a 1.8k, just pointing out the fact that I am isnt compatible with you claiming I am a 1k. And when I can be bothered to play solo ranked I still win the majority of my games, albeit slowly lately cause my behaviour score has decreased to a C like it was when I created this thread.
What fact, I'm sorry? I've never said you're 1000 MMR. I've claimed you're low 2k/sub 2k MMR. Which means you will be stuck there for a very long time, even with some luck, you will not get much further, just like I haven't moved past 4.7k (because we need to improve, and not seek for validation). Yes, you've grinded some MMR, but it doesn't mean anyone said you're 900 MMR to begin with. And even if someone did, it still doesn't mean opinions can't be changed. I'll say once again - if you actually wanted to improve and change your terrific attidude you'd be likely 3k by now.
You really believe my gender has anything to do with what people tell me regarding my mmr? I have had people who dont even know what gender I am tell me im high 2k/3k so that seems legit to me...
Coinsidering the fact I got to know you at least a tiny bit, I have to say I genuinely coinsider this to be the case. And even if some people said that you're 2k/3k, it doesn't mean they were correct. Call it a fluke or just the fact they're not good in the first place (or get back and read my honest opinion about them wanting to get under your pants)
What? The fact that I am agnostic has nothing to do with my choice to celebrate xmas, nowadays its more of a celebration of friendship, family and giving than it is about religion.
it actually has, if you're aware of what being agnostic or atheist means. You can't celebrate something you don't believe exists. Also, the fact you celebrate friendships and family bonds during xmas time says that you don't actually know what a real friendship/family looks like.
I'll tell you why. You don't need any event/holday/xmas/newyear/ to selebrate, give or connect/enjoy with people/friends/family. If you have them, you will do it consistently and quite often without any reason. It just happens out of the blue and you go with the flow.
Now, this doesn't mean you can't have specific and planned events, it just means you don't do it because of something, but rather because that's how you feel.
And playing more than 4 or 5 dota games in a day isnt compatible with living a normal life imo sorry
What's normal and what's not is very fucking relative. On a top of that, it also changes overtime. The way you wrote this shit sounds like you're pretty much narrow minded (which is weird, because I don't remember you as being narrow minded) - the other reason could be you're just so desperatly trying to look like you have a social life.
Anyways, the moral of the story is: being normal is relative and playing 5 games a day is fine. Even more. If that's what makes you happy. Having many friends is not normal, but then again, having many friends COULD be normal. It just depends on many things, for example, one of them would be are you an introverted person? How old are you? Do you care about being accepted in current social modern-day life? And so on.
If anything, you certainly sound like you care about how people see you in their eyes. From my own exp. people concerned about such things are most of times very fucking delusional and are pretty much incapable of making true friendships/relationships.
Her words kinda hurt, but it's true, most of us dota players(and pretty much all other serious gamers) are not exactly ordinary humans in terms of our habits... If Vertoxity chooses Dota over drugs, that's the absolute best case scenario.
Social life, work, studies, gaming? these 4 dont all fit, unless you don't sleep... Perhaps if youve graduated already, and you dont have a time-consuming job, then it works oout.
It can work out, but usually people are not interested into making such connections. I've seen some examples of people having active social lifes and still playing Dota 2 almost daily at least few games per day.
I don't coinsider myself to be much of a social guy, but it doesn't mean I don't have friends at all. Everyone is different, and having the attidude in which you get to judge what's right and what's wrong is just not right.
Usually that kind of people are deeply broken inside and they're just trying to hide it - pretty much real Internet trols.
On the other hand, it's allright to say: I'm not much of a social guy, I'd rather enjoy my life playing video games and reading books.
Just as saying: Video games are not something I like. My thing is hanging out with my friends and going out.
If anything, you certainly sound like you care about how people see you in their eyes. From my own exp. people concerned about such things are most of times very fucking delusional and are pretty much incapable of making true friendships/relationships.
If it's not too much ,could you elaborate on what kind experience you had to make you form this opinion?
And yeah, to each his own. I'm also cutting down on the social life aspect, but I'm not exactly happy about it, it's just how things are going. I notice the days I go out or work, I almost never have time for more than 2 dota games in my healthy free time, not even speaking about 5 games.
It's almost like there is this quotation tool here, you used it before, you should be aware. Come on, quote the arguments. Not unsubstantiated opinions, arguments, mind you.
Like this one
Never said I was proud to be a 1.8k, just pointing out the fact that I am isnt compatible with you claiming I am a 1k
When ppl say "you are 1k/2k..." they are not referring to a specific MMR but to a 1000 MMR range. E.G. 1k means from 1000 MMR to 2000, 6k means from 6000 to 7000, you get the idea? So your 1.8k still puts your in 1k range. My condolences.
Waiting for your arguments quotes. Might take awhile.
it actually has, if you're aware of what being agnostic or atheist means. You can't celebrate something you don't believe exists
christmas is also a cultural thing not just a christian holiday.
I can buy presents for my friends/family without being a devout christian and I'm fairly sure most people would consider that "celebrating" christmas even if i don't go the full 9 yards with a nativity play or whatever. I think a majority of people who go christmas shopping don't give 2 shits about jesus.
maybe your other arguments are valid but this is just being petty, trying to nitpick over the smallest things and it's not even relevant to the discussion. though I also think her argument of "lol get a life I can't play 5 games a day cos I'm a 'normal' person" - like being introverted is something to be ashamed of or a negative trait, or "my friends say im x mmr" arent valid arguments either.
^ No. Most normal ppl refer to 1.8k as 1.8k or high 1k. Nobody refers to 1.8k as 1k. And feel free to wait until you grow old cause thats what will happen before I can be bothered to dig out some argument that you will proceed to dismiss anyway
No. Most normal ppl refer to 1.8k as 1.8k or high 1k. Nobody refers to 1.8k as 1k
nah mmr when referred in that way is usually a 1k range. back when mmr was a visible number in ranked it was pretty stupid, you'd often have some dude at 5003 mmr call a 4997 guy for being a 4k shitter and demand the lane that they wanted over a negligible mmr difference.
sure you might say someone is high 3k but they're still 3k.
probably why they did away with visible mmr and replaced it with medals instead. medals being an mmr range means less complaining about people being tiny amounts of mmr lower than you.
@Androgynous it's not as much about being a normal or a not-normal person, but the state of life for self-sufficient young adults. If you study and work as well as like to hang out with friends, it's a miracle if you get to play a few dota games a day without cutting either on studies or sleep. I know a person who doesnt work and barely hangs out but there are days we can't play at all simply due to studies.
if you dont work, dont study or dont socialise - sure, it might be reasonable to find time for many games of dota.
christmas is also a cultural thing not just a christian holiday.
I can buy presents for my friends/family without being a devout christian and I'm fairly sure most people would consider that "celebrating" christmas even if i don't go the full 9 yards with a nativity play or whatever. I think a majority of people who go christmas shopping don't give 2 shits about jesus.
This entirely. Christmas is a western tradition more than it is a religous holiday. Everyone in my country celebrates it and yet most people are areligious. I couldnt try and explain it but this petty stuff vertoxity said —>
You don't need any event/holday/xmas/newyear/ to selebrate, give or connect/enjoy with people/friends/family. If you have them, you will do it consistently and quite often without any reason.
is seriously false. If you have a strong connection to your family then you will celebrate christmas even more than you would if you dont have a family. I myself do not have a family but I have a healthy relationship and friends that I spend Christmas with and it means alot.
I also think her argument of "lol get a life I can't play 5 games a day cos I'm a 'normal' person" - like being introverted is something to be ashamed of or a negative trait, or "my friends say im x mmr" arent valid arguments either.
I dont mean there is anything wrong with being introverted. I wouldnt describe myself as a massively extroverted person anymore anyway. I like to be alone alot of the time and some weeks I wont leave the house unless I have work to do. However it doesnt change the fact that spending all day playing video games as opposed to socialising or even doing somethting productive is anti-social and generally frowned upon by society. I am addicted to video games, sometimes my steam will clock me in as spending upwards of 80 hours on video games over 2 weeks and it honestly makes me depressed. People who play video games for excessive amounts of time are socially backwards and are less likely to be in good mental health. That isnt an argument its medical fact.
I'll tell you why. You don't need any event/holday/xmas/newyear/ to selebrate, give or connect/enjoy with people/friends/family. If you have them, you will do it consistently and quite often without any reason. It just happens out of the blue and you go with the flow.
Mad props on this one. That is a legit strong argument. Too many ppl go along with a tradition without understanding what that tradition means and how they can replicate the positive effects without the ritualistic ones. Witch burnings in America were the result of such an attitude.
The way you wrote this shit sounds like you're pretty much narrow minded (which is weird, because I don't remember you as being narrow minded)
No mad props on this one. OP has proven consistently to be very narrow in their behaviour in this thread, and that is reflective of their mindset. Except
fucking delusional and are pretty much incapable of making true friendships/relationships
maybe you were being sarcastic there. So maybe some props there as well.
Did I not figure out if you were being sarcastic? Maybe no mad props for me. Shit.
feel free to wait until you grow old cause thats what will happen before I can be bothered to dig out some argument that you will proceed to dismiss anyway
In other words there aren't any. Thx for confirming my point again. Also nice job assuming my reaction, are you a mindreader by any chance?
some weeks I wont leave the house unless I have work to do
Oh, no! You dropped out of university? Some more of my insincere condolences then.
probably why they did away with visible mmr and replaced it with medals instead
I doubt Valve would bother that much with this fringe case of MMR-shaming or MMR-shaming in general. They seem to have some problems with designing progression systems (check the latest Artifact failure).
So the switch to medals is more likely to mimic the less challenging progression systems in other multiplayer games. Getting a new star next to your medal is way easier than climbing the next 1000 range which was the regular progress indicatior before the medals.
This is furher supported by how shoddily the medals are implemented. This includes but is not limited to no party/solo distinction, no streak adjustment, no behaviour score adjustment, no performance adjustment. But most importantly by the fact you can't lose a medal once you gain it, which solidifies its role as a reward system rather than skill gauge/matchmaking tool.
In other words there aren't any. Thx for confirming my point again. Also nice job assuming my reaction, are you a mindreader by any chance?
For someone who seems to constantly accuse people of being incapable of reading you dont half have a habit of misinterpreting things either willfully or not.
Oh, no! You dropped out of university? Some more of my insincere condolences then.
University is work. My job is also work. I leave the house to attend uni and I leave the house if I have to go to my job. Some weeks I dont go to clubs and pubs and out with friends because I dont feel like it. I will always go to uni though.
If it's not too much ,could you elaborate on what kind experience you had to make you form this opinion?
Keep in mind this is my personal opinion. There's a difference between caring about yourself and what your friends/family/girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/etc think and what random and irrelevant people think in general.
I've met many people in my life with similar traits like Violet. At first, they usually easily get under your skin, because they will try to impress you with stuff. Some of them are even quite knowledgeable about things and will go even an extra "mile" just so they can present to you as a special snowflake. These kinda of people are usually(not always) very deeply concerned what everyone thinks about them, making it super-important to actually make a good impression towards everyone. Eventually, they'll show their true colors and you'll quickly realise that they are arrogant, narrow minded and delusional. Sadly, most of the times after they get under your skin, but, with time, you learn to be careful, because you know, you've been burned many times, so you learn.
The reason why they're incapable of making any true friendships and relationships is mainly because their attidude is just not healthy and is very exhausting. This means that they will have mental breakdowns, they'll be passive-agressive and on a top of that, most of the time you'll actually feel guilty and even get to the point when you will question yourself about pretty much everything related to your friendship/relationship with that person.
Sadly, it's very hard to get out of this loop for that person, becuase they usually use it as self-defense mechanism for many reasons, obviously, one of them being insecure, not satisfied and so on. If you actually read her recent posts, you will quickly realise that she's actually ashamed of herself. The issue is, -self awareness kicks-in only too late or never..
@ Androgynous
I'm a strong believer that if you don't believe in something you should not celebrate it. Buying gifts for your loved ones, however, doesn't mean you believe in xmas, it just means you love them and care about them. With that being said, I'm really not nitpicking anything, it's just my opinion.
@Androgynous it's not as much about being a normal or a not-normal person, but the state of life for self-sufficient young adults. If you study and work as well as like to hang out with friends, it's a miracle if you get to play a few dota games a day without cutting either on studies or sleep. I know a person who doesnt work and barely hangs out but there are days we can't play at all simply due to studies.
if you dont work, dont study or dont socialise - sure, it might be reasonable to find time for many games of dota.
State of life is also relevant thing. I would agree that playing Dota 2 or any video game exclusivly can't be good for your health, but then again, it's not like being social can always end up being good aswell. You just gotta balance things out.
Also, the fact that you don't get time to play Dota 2 while doing other things is correct, but not because you can't - you're just not used to things going differently and because of that you just end up being tired (especially if you're introverted)
@ SayingPls Helps
No mad props on this one. OP has proven consistently to be very narrow in theie behaviour in this thread, and that is reflective of their mindset. Except
That's correct, but at first I was a bit harsh to her and I decided to give her a benefit of a doubt. However, I was always careful with her, because I knew something's fishy. When things went south, I just decided that best action is deleting her, because I don't want to deal with people like her in my life the way I did back when we were "friends"
I dont mean there is anything wrong with being introverted. I wouldnt describe myself as a massively extroverted person anymore anyway. I like to be alone alot of the time and some weeks I wont leave the house unless I have work to do. However it doesnt change the fact that spending all day playing video games as opposed to socialising or even doing somethting productive is anti-social and generally frowned upon by society. I am addicted to video games, sometimes my steam will clock me in as spending upwards of 80 hours on video games over 2 weeks and it honestly makes me depressed. People who play video games for excessive amounts of time are socially backwards and are less likely to be in good mental health. That isnt an argument its medical fact.
This is bullshit. Now you're trying to wash-away things you've said just because, as I said - you care about what society thinks , and you want to make a good impression.
This just doesn't cut it, because this is pure hypocrisy. If you actually carefully read what you wrote from your recent posts you will see that you're a fucking hypocrite.
Just because you say things after you said bunch of retarded shit, and you've found someone who doesn't agree completely with my stuff that I wrote it doesn't mean your shit can be unseen too.
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Also, quite common thing that these passive-agressive persons do is they will pity themselfs when needed, just so you can feel like you're wrong. It's a game for them.
I've met many people in my life with similar traits like Violet. At first, they usually easily get under your skin, because they will try to impress you with stuff. Some of them are even quite knowledgeable about things and will go even an extra "mile" just so they can present to you as a special snowflake. These kinda of people are usually(not always) very deeply concerned what everyone thinks about them, making it super-important to actually make a good impression towards everyone. Eventually, they'll show their true colors and you'll quickly realise that they are arrogant, narrow minded and delusional. Sadly, most of the times after they get under your skin, but, with time, you learn to be careful, because you know, you've been burned many times, so you learn.
The reason why they're incapable of making any true friendships and relationships is mainly because their attidude is just not healthy and is very exhausting. This means that they will have mental breakdowns, they'll be passive-agressive and on a top of that, most of the time you'll actually feel guilty and even get to the point when you will question yourself about pretty much everything related to your friendship/relationship with that person.
Sadly, it's very hard to get out of this loop for that person, becuase they usually use it as self-defense mechanism for many reasons, obviously, one of them being insecure, not satisfied and so on. If you actually read her recent posts, you will quickly realise that she's actually ashamed of herself. The issue is, -self awareness kicks-in only too late or never..
I dont know who burnt you in the past but this really isnt applicable to me. I like to make friends with people so I am naturally nice when they add me... I recall when we first started talking and we shared interests which is naturally how you make friends and a good impression. There isnt a deeper meaning to that really. As for the other stuff, its all just relatively basic ‘no shit, sherlock’ stuff. Theres not rly much point in beating around the bush, its obvious Im not a happy person and i told you more than I should have about my emotions. No need to pretend like im a concealer and the way I behave has any deeper meaning than ‘I dont feel well do you wanna chat to me’...
And yes I am ashamed at myself occasionally... again this is something that I actually told you before you felt the need to backstab me for feeding in an unranked game. Oh and that is the reason you turned on me. It has nothing to do with what you are saying now considering alot of this is crap i warned u about and crap that you told me didnt matter. The only reason why you dont like me is because I fed. Stop pretending like there is some deeper subtext here cause you were super friendly up to that point and then all of a sudden you completely changed all on account of that one game.
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^I'm a troll not a bully, there is a slight difference.
Had this argument like 3 pages ago and SayingPleaseHelps made some jokes about me as well, I even said at a point that this was becoming pure bullying and not trolling which was not going the right way. You are welcome for the re-collection :)
Edit : REAL LAST POST BEFORE CLOSING OF THE TOPIC PLEASE REMEMBER ME
They wont do anything, i doubt there even are any active mods here. They probably noticed that moderation of forums correlates with a decrease of their user base.
to be fair i don't even care too much, he's the one who looks like a retard.
@ questionably able silenced babbler
So who's the bully exactly? And since it's you is that a bad thing? Is that because they make you look like a 9 year-old with a developmental deficiency?Yeah its unfortunate, I contacted KawaiiSocks but he didn't respond yet, and Lawliepop, which ghosted me :thonk:
Come on, you can do better than that! Victim-blaming, thats getting quite old at this point.
Yeah, it truly is quite immature to discuss potential ways to talk back to abusers, but I for some reason don't feel too bad about it.
I mean, I should be a mature man and just shank you irl, right? Being unstable with developmental issues I might actually do it.
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Or you can keep whining. Does wonders for you credibility.
Except I didn't look like a moron, not the way I see it. I consulted somebody in a vulnerable position, who was without prior experience of being actually bullied. A private conversation almost always looks embarrassing when publicized.
And by the way you should start switching words up with synonims, at least - you keep using the same punchlines and generic comebacks. If you're so committed to bullying somebody (or should we say, practicing verbal debate in english) at least put some effort, or you're gonna be used to wipe the floor with.
Well, looks like we have a bit of misunderstanding about what actually is so embarassing about that. What is your embarassing part?
Btw, nice move bringing them up again. I can almost believe you indeed want the whole affair forgotten.
Merry Xmas
Hey folks, this thread was brought to my attention as being pretty toxic, and I agree that it's getting pretty ugly. I do like the discussion that was happening in previous pages though in regards to the difference in skill brackets though, so I'm going to leave the thread be for now. I'll be checking back in, and if the petty bickering is still going on, I'll be locking the thread. Play nice.
1k games aren't harder than 3k games.
People throwing rocks back and forth and i think parma kinda likes the attention, i bet alot of fuckboys add her on steam and give her arcanas. Thats why the other woman got jealous and want to shut the thread down.
Me im just a outsider popping in once in a while to see how this thread evolves.
I actually have higher net worth on my steam account overall than Parma just saying
Ironic considering the entire thread involves everyone throwing rocks as if its a battle royale game plus under the mindset of it being a free for all solo gamemode. I wasn't even in the fray to begin with for the record, let's just say I'm a... lawful good person in terms of alignment and I want to serve some justice and give em what for would be a better description
There was plenty of examples of me providing an argument and evidence earlier (if you were capable of reading) :P
Considering I have been in shared accomodation for 3 years and have always worked in service based jobs I have developed quite a knack for character judgement and last time I checked people who needlessly insult and troll others on the internet tend not to be decent people.
Also I dont know what this rubbish about internalised petty lying is all about. I dont think I have lied about anything much in this thread tbh lol
My AKMs, M16A4s, Beryl M762s and Mk47 Mutants are ready for sale in case you guys just want to keep firing away like a casual pubg game here LUL
I sold my hotpants for like £60 the other day heeh
outstanding Luna performance, Parma
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4287120423
I couldnt be bothered lol. Was tilted from the game before and the Earth spirit flamed me from the game started, refused to do anything and then decided to ditch my lane after about 3 minutes. Asked for the witch doctor to come top and he told me to fuck off. Game was obviously lost within about 5 minutes so I decided that I would leave instead of wasting my time trying to carry 4 shitheads.
Mhm. Game was obviously lost in your eyes, coinsidering you're not much higher than 1k if at all. More competent player would've won that game easily, esp. with Luna, coinsidering that your team actually tried to win, sadly they didn't have their pos1 (you)
I'll even say that legit low 3k MMR player would've won that game with ease, coinsidering that your team actually wasn't as bad as you think.
One more game I just found out:
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4287131760
How do you mange to lose mid lane to Drow? The only thing I can imagine happening is not paying atention on where Mirana is, so you got arrowed cuz of poor map awarness / decison making.
Seems like your attidude haven't changed at all. Pretty sad. Some people never change I guess.
At this rate I doubt you will get out of 1k mmr by the end of 2018..
I honestly dont know why this game parsed that as a lost mid. I died once in lane to a rotation and I out last hit and denied the drow in lane. I lost my lane after about 10 minutes anyway though because they pushed 5 through mid because the side lanes lost so badly because I had 4 shitters on my team. Considering I am 1850 mmr this thing about me not being much about 1k is clealy false since I have almost double 1k. And why is it a race to get out of 2k before the end of 2018? Im not even going to be playing much because I will be celebrating christmas with my friends. Not everyone is depressing enough to waste away their holidays playing video games xd
curious, do u mass buy clothes u'll never wear with the intention of immediately selling them to thirsty neckbeards if they're that profitable
i wonder whats the real reason vertoxity is so worked up about this
it almost seems like an obsession, but then again i dont suppose there are other fun threads in dotabuff nowadays.
This sounds like you are proud of your current MMR and you should not be. 1.8k is pretty much piss easy, and the fact you've moved up in MMR doesn't mean you will keep climbing at the same rate. As I said, you might be a bit above 1k, but regardless of that, you ain't much higher. Anyone telling you otherwise is just either trying to get under your pants or he simply never seen a vagina in his life, so, pretty much any chance to have a connection with a female would be a success.
Why not? What having friends/social life has anything to do with playing Dota 2 and grinding? Unless you're paying bills playing video games, there's no such thing as not enough time for Dota 2. Contrary to popular belief, you can still have social life and play video games if it's just a hobby. On the other hand, people trying to elaborate what are they going to do in upcoming days/weeks sound fishy to say at least. If you're going to celebrate christmas (which is weird, because if I'm not mistaken you're an atheist) do so, you doing exactly what you've said above doesn't mean you don't have enough time for Dota 2. It just sounds lame, tbh.
Also, being depressive is not a choice, and the way you talk about it you certainly make it sound like one. Also, do I even have to mention that it has nothing to do with video games?
You really believe my gender has anything to do with what people tell me regarding my mmr? I have had people who dont even know what gender I am tell me im high 2k/3k so that seems legit to me... What? The fact that I am agnostic has nothing to do with my choice to celebrate xmas, nowadays its more of a celebration of friendship, family and giving than it is about religion. And playing more than 4 or 5 dota games in a day isnt compatible with living a normal life imo sorry.
Why not, it's interesting. It's fun. I like it.
If you think so. What can I do..
How about you reply to her, not to me. My comment is a waste of space that doesn't state anything of meaning.
Her words kinda hurt, but it's true, most of us dota players(and pretty much all other serious gamers) are not exactly ordinary humans in terms of our habits... If Vertoxity chooses Dota over drugs, that's the absolute best case scenario.
Social life, work, studies, gaming? these 4 dont all fit, unless you don't sleep... Perhaps if youve graduated already, and you dont have a time-consuming job, then it works oout.
What fact, I'm sorry? I've never said you're 1000 MMR. I've claimed you're low 2k/sub 2k MMR. Which means you will be stuck there for a very long time, even with some luck, you will not get much further, just like I haven't moved past 4.7k (because we need to improve, and not seek for validation). Yes, you've grinded some MMR, but it doesn't mean anyone said you're 900 MMR to begin with. And even if someone did, it still doesn't mean opinions can't be changed. I'll say once again - if you actually wanted to improve and change your terrific attidude you'd be likely 3k by now.
Coinsidering the fact I got to know you at least a tiny bit, I have to say I genuinely coinsider this to be the case. And even if some people said that you're 2k/3k, it doesn't mean they were correct. Call it a fluke or just the fact they're not good in the first place (or get back and read my honest opinion about them wanting to get under your pants)
it actually has, if you're aware of what being agnostic or atheist means. You can't celebrate something you don't believe exists. Also, the fact you celebrate friendships and family bonds during xmas time says that you don't actually know what a real friendship/family looks like.
I'll tell you why. You don't need any event/holday/xmas/newyear/ to selebrate, give or connect/enjoy with people/friends/family. If you have them, you will do it consistently and quite often without any reason. It just happens out of the blue and you go with the flow.
Now, this doesn't mean you can't have specific and planned events, it just means you don't do it because of something, but rather because that's how you feel.
What's normal and what's not is very fucking relative. On a top of that, it also changes overtime. The way you wrote this shit sounds like you're pretty much narrow minded (which is weird, because I don't remember you as being narrow minded) - the other reason could be you're just so desperatly trying to look like you have a social life.
Anyways, the moral of the story is: being normal is relative and playing 5 games a day is fine. Even more. If that's what makes you happy. Having many friends is not normal, but then again, having many friends COULD be normal. It just depends on many things, for example, one of them would be are you an introverted person? How old are you? Do you care about being accepted in current social modern-day life? And so on.
If anything, you certainly sound like you care about how people see you in their eyes. From my own exp. people concerned about such things are most of times very fucking delusional and are pretty much incapable of making true friendships/relationships.
It can work out, but usually people are not interested into making such connections. I've seen some examples of people having active social lifes and still playing Dota 2 almost daily at least few games per day.
I don't coinsider myself to be much of a social guy, but it doesn't mean I don't have friends at all. Everyone is different, and having the attidude in which you get to judge what's right and what's wrong is just not right.
Usually that kind of people are deeply broken inside and they're just trying to hide it - pretty much real Internet trols.
On the other hand, it's allright to say: I'm not much of a social guy, I'd rather enjoy my life playing video games and reading books.
Just as saying: Video games are not something I like. My thing is hanging out with my friends and going out.
I hope you notice the difference
If it's not too much ,could you elaborate on what kind experience you had to make you form this opinion?
And yeah, to each his own. I'm also cutting down on the social life aspect, but I'm not exactly happy about it, it's just how things are going. I notice the days I go out or work, I almost never have time for more than 2 dota games in my healthy free time, not even speaking about 5 games.
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I will elaborate when I finish my game.
Like this one
When ppl say "you are 1k/2k..." they are not referring to a specific MMR but to a 1000 MMR range. E.G. 1k means from 1000 MMR to 2000, 6k means from 6000 to 7000, you get the idea? So your 1.8k still puts your in 1k range. My condolences.Waiting for your arguments quotes. Might take awhile.
christmas is also a cultural thing not just a christian holiday.
I can buy presents for my friends/family without being a devout christian and I'm fairly sure most people would consider that "celebrating" christmas even if i don't go the full 9 yards with a nativity play or whatever. I think a majority of people who go christmas shopping don't give 2 shits about jesus.
maybe your other arguments are valid but this is just being petty, trying to nitpick over the smallest things and it's not even relevant to the discussion. though I also think her argument of "lol get a life I can't play 5 games a day cos I'm a 'normal' person" - like being introverted is something to be ashamed of or a negative trait, or "my friends say im x mmr" arent valid arguments either.
^ No. Most normal ppl refer to 1.8k as 1.8k or high 1k. Nobody refers to 1.8k as 1k. And feel free to wait until you grow old cause thats what will happen before I can be bothered to dig out some argument that you will proceed to dismiss anyway
nah mmr when referred in that way is usually a 1k range. back when mmr was a visible number in ranked it was pretty stupid, you'd often have some dude at 5003 mmr call a 4997 guy for being a 4k shitter and demand the lane that they wanted over a negligible mmr difference.
sure you might say someone is high 3k but they're still 3k.
probably why they did away with visible mmr and replaced it with medals instead. medals being an mmr range means less complaining about people being tiny amounts of mmr lower than you.
@Androgynous it's not as much about being a normal or a not-normal person, but the state of life for self-sufficient young adults. If you study and work as well as like to hang out with friends, it's a miracle if you get to play a few dota games a day without cutting either on studies or sleep. I know a person who doesnt work and barely hangs out but there are days we can't play at all simply due to studies.
if you dont work, dont study or dont socialise - sure, it might be reasonable to find time for many games of dota.
Mad props on this one. That is a legit strong argument. Too many ppl go along with a tradition without understanding what that tradition means and how they can replicate the positive effects without the ritualistic ones. Witch burnings in America were the result of such an attitude. No mad props on this one. OP has proven consistently to be very narrow in their behaviour in this thread, and that is reflective of their mindset. Except maybe you were being sarcastic there. So maybe some props there as well.
Did I not figure out if you were being sarcastic? Maybe no mad props for me. Shit.
@OP
In other words there aren't any. Thx for confirming my point again. Also nice job assuming my reaction, are you a mindreader by any chance? Oh, no! You dropped out of university? Some more of my insincere condolences then.@Androgynous
I doubt Valve would bother that much with this fringe case of MMR-shaming or MMR-shaming in general. They seem to have some problems with designing progression systems (check the latest Artifact failure).So the switch to medals is more likely to mimic the less challenging progression systems in other multiplayer games. Getting a new star next to your medal is way easier than climbing the next 1000 range which was the regular progress indicatior before the medals.
This is furher supported by how shoddily the medals are implemented. This includes but is not limited to no party/solo distinction, no streak adjustment, no behaviour score adjustment, no performance adjustment. But most importantly by the fact you can't lose a medal once you gain it, which solidifies its role as a reward system rather than skill gauge/matchmaking tool.
Allright, so;
Keep in mind this is my personal opinion. There's a difference between caring about yourself and what your friends/family/girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/etc think and what random and irrelevant people think in general.
I've met many people in my life with similar traits like Violet. At first, they usually easily get under your skin, because they will try to impress you with stuff. Some of them are even quite knowledgeable about things and will go even an extra "mile" just so they can present to you as a special snowflake. These kinda of people are usually(not always) very deeply concerned what everyone thinks about them, making it super-important to actually make a good impression towards everyone. Eventually, they'll show their true colors and you'll quickly realise that they are arrogant, narrow minded and delusional. Sadly, most of the times after they get under your skin, but, with time, you learn to be careful, because you know, you've been burned many times, so you learn.
The reason why they're incapable of making any true friendships and relationships is mainly because their attidude is just not healthy and is very exhausting. This means that they will have mental breakdowns, they'll be passive-agressive and on a top of that, most of the time you'll actually feel guilty and even get to the point when you will question yourself about pretty much everything related to your friendship/relationship with that person.
Sadly, it's very hard to get out of this loop for that person, becuase they usually use it as self-defense mechanism for many reasons, obviously, one of them being insecure, not satisfied and so on. If you actually read her recent posts, you will quickly realise that she's actually ashamed of herself. The issue is, -self awareness kicks-in only too late or never..
@ Androgynous
I'm a strong believer that if you don't believe in something you should not celebrate it. Buying gifts for your loved ones, however, doesn't mean you believe in xmas, it just means you love them and care about them. With that being said, I'm really not nitpicking anything, it's just my opinion.
State of life is also relevant thing. I would agree that playing Dota 2 or any video game exclusivly can't be good for your health, but then again, it's not like being social can always end up being good aswell. You just gotta balance things out.
Also, the fact that you don't get time to play Dota 2 while doing other things is correct, but not because you can't - you're just not used to things going differently and because of that you just end up being tired (especially if you're introverted)
@ SayingPls Helps
That's correct, but at first I was a bit harsh to her and I decided to give her a benefit of a doubt. However, I was always careful with her, because I knew something's fishy. When things went south, I just decided that best action is deleting her, because I don't want to deal with people like her in my life the way I did back when we were "friends"
This is bullshit. Now you're trying to wash-away things you've said just because, as I said - you care about what society thinks , and you want to make a good impression.
This just doesn't cut it, because this is pure hypocrisy. If you actually carefully read what you wrote from your recent posts you will see that you're a fucking hypocrite.
Just because you say things after you said bunch of retarded shit, and you've found someone who doesn't agree completely with my stuff that I wrote it doesn't mean your shit can be unseen too.
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Also, quite common thing that these passive-agressive persons do is they will pity themselfs when needed, just so you can feel like you're wrong. It's a game for them.
I dont know who burnt you in the past but this really isnt applicable to me. I like to make friends with people so I am naturally nice when they add me... I recall when we first started talking and we shared interests which is naturally how you make friends and a good impression. There isnt a deeper meaning to that really. As for the other stuff, its all just relatively basic ‘no shit, sherlock’ stuff. Theres not rly much point in beating around the bush, its obvious Im not a happy person and i told you more than I should have about my emotions. No need to pretend like im a concealer and the way I behave has any deeper meaning than ‘I dont feel well do you wanna chat to me’...
And yes I am ashamed at myself occasionally... again this is something that I actually told you before you felt the need to backstab me for feeding in an unranked game. Oh and that is the reason you turned on me. It has nothing to do with what you are saying now considering alot of this is crap i warned u about and crap that you told me didnt matter. The only reason why you dont like me is because I fed. Stop pretending like there is some deeper subtext here cause you were super friendly up to that point and then all of a sudden you completely changed all on account of that one game.